From root@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 7 21:41:47 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16368 for david ; Wed, 07 Oct 92 21:41:39 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844677503:11600:0; Mon, 07 Oct 96 09:38:23 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa11172; 7 Oct 96 9:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af03336; 7 Oct 96 9:37 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:25:11 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.092511.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:17:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R Unfortunately problems continue... x-files gave up the ghost last week whilst I was away on holiday so I am now using SparkFS to get around the problem. Once again this is a test message to see if this alternative works and I will be exploring other options in the mean time. Loosing x-files means that some of your messages have not been propagated to the list, but I have copies of them in my mailbox so I will re-distribute them once I am happy that this solution works. Sorry for the problems, I'm sure that I have missed something simple in getting the software to work, hopefully once I find what that is the problems will go away. -- Ian MacDougall From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:06 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16450 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:58:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761035:18439:2; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:50:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18331; 8 Oct 96 8:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab04900; 8 Oct 96 8:49 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:04:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Digest of unpropagated articles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.160437.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:50:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Here is a digest of the articles that weren't propagated on the list because of 'technical difficulties' :) I've trimmed the headers and sigs etc to cut down on the size of it, but left From: and Subject: lines. Some of you will have seen some of the articles, sorry for the duplication. From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:21 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16452 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761407:22122:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:56:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa21596; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj04900; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:57:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155713.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 00:26:31 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R Question One: I create an A5 page. I then create 4 frames for business cards. They abutt each other. I want to put crop marks in. Sorry but ... in Impression I use border 11 and select which sides have the border. There is no such frame in OPro, and I've no idea (even after reading the manual) how to create a 'border' like this! Question Two: Yesterday Tony Tolver and I were musing about selling RiscPCs (T-J are an Acorn Publishing dealer) into bureau that already have Macs (and PCs). We wondered if it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? If is was possible then it would be even better if it could show a TIFF preview! Thank you - over to our guru 'The Blessed St David Pilling' Keith Parker -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:38 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16453 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761707:25315:0; Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:01:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25048; 8 Oct 96 9:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac04900; 8 Oct 96 9:00 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:59:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155916.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 14:20:51 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R On Fri 27 Sep 96 (11:55:24 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > >If any of you have or will be getting StrongArm cards you >will notice that Ovation Pro does not work. Essentially it is the >protection scheme that fails to work under the new processor not the >application itself. Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:06 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16450 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:58:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761035:18439:2; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:50:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18331; 8 Oct 96 8:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab04900; 8 Oct 96 8:49 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:04:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Digest of unpropagated articles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.160437.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:50:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Here is a digest of the articles that weren't propagated on the list because of 'technical difficulties' :) I've trimmed the headers and sigs etc to cut down on the size of it, but left From: and Subject: lines. Some of you will have seen some of the articles, sorry for the duplication. From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:21 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16452 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761407:22122:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:56:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa21596; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj04900; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:57:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155713.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 00:26:31 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R Question One: I create an A5 page. I then create 4 frames for business cards. They abutt each other. I want to put crop marks in. Sorry but ... in Impression I use border 11 and select which sides have the border. There is no such frame in OPro, and I've no idea (even after reading the manual) how to create a 'border' like this! Question Two: Yesterday Tony Tolver and I were musing about selling RiscPCs (T-J are an Acorn Publishing dealer) into bureau that already have Macs (and PCs). We wondered if it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? If is was possible then it would be even better if it could show a TIFF preview! Thank you - over to our guru 'The Blessed St David Pilling' Keith Parker -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:38 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16453 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761707:25315:0; Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:01:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25048; 8 Oct 96 9:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac04900; 8 Oct 96 9:00 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:59:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155916.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 14:20:51 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R On Fri 27 Sep 96 (11:55:24 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > >If any of you have or will be getting StrongArm cards you >will notice that Ovation Pro does not work. Essentially it is the >protection scheme that fails to work under the new processor not the >application itself. Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 8 18:01:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16468 for david ; Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844788147:10300:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 16:22:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa09823; 8 Oct 96 16:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13796; 8 Oct 96 16:20 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:20:18 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961008.162018.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:15:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Largely thanks to Kevin F. Quinn, Graham Allan and David Pilling I now think I have the mailing list up and running properly. So once again I am sending this message as a test. I also seemed to have missed out the digest part of the digest message I sent (oops) so if this message seems to propagate properly I will resend that message. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 8 18:01:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16468 for david ; Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844788147:10300:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 16:22:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa09823; 8 Oct 96 16:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13796; 8 Oct 96 16:20 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:20:18 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961008.162018.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:15:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Largely thanks to Kevin F. Quinn, Graham Allan and David Pilling I now think I have the mailing list up and running properly. So once again I am sending this message as a test. I also seemed to have missed out the digest part of the digest message I sent (oops) so if this message seems to propagate properly I will resend that message. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:05 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25751 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848294:17813:0; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:04:54 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17345; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085915.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:39:20 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Keith Parker writes; > I use border 11 in Impression to create crop marks Use the line drawing tools to draw yourself some crop marks. Not too bad because you've only got to do it once, and they easily snap into position. But of course not as easy as using a border. > EPS export Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25752 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848296:17750:3; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:04:56 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17375; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:58:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085843.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:30:52 -0400 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 07 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > On Fri 27 Sep 96 (11:55:24 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > > If any of you have or will be getting StrongArm cards you will notice > > that Ovation Pro does not work. Essentially it is the protection scheme > > that fails to work under the new processor not the application itself. > Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to > de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? It's fine to leave it there, it's !Boot file won't hurt you. -- +1-609-275-1193 .... Where's my 640 Mb SIMM? I want to run Excel! From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25753 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848297:17743:1; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:04:57 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17376; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: Richard Lambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085900.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:53:15 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 07 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: > Question Two: > > .... We wondered if > it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding > connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? Wouldn't it be possible to do this by some modification to the Postscript printer driver? It would be incredibly useful. A job for Acorn, perhaps. Richard -- __ _ __ L A N D / / (_) / = Richard Lambley Land Mobile magazine = __ _ ___ / / __/ /__ Redhill, Surrey / ' \/ _ \/ _ \/ / / -_) Tel. +44 1737 771877; fax +44 1737 773347 /_/_/_/\___/_.__/_/_/\__/ ** Wireless communications for business ** From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25754 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:18 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848301:17813:2; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:05:01 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17535; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085908.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:22:03 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Ray Dawson writes; >Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to >de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? You can carry on using OPro. Add a line *cache off to the !OvnPro.!Run file. Add an obey file containing *cache on to !OvnPro.Applets Thanks to John Ferguson for this tip. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:35 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25757 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:29 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848304:17750:5; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:05:04 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17547; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af26389; 9 Oct 96 9:03 BST From: John Ferguson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085923.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:48:45 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon, 07 Oct 1996, Ray Dawson wrote: > Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to > de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? I have OPro running on my SA card. Just edit Ovation Pro's !Run file and add: cache off just before the last line: Run ".!RunImage" %*0 then create an obey file containing: cache on and put it in the !OvnPro.Applets directory. Ovation Pro will now load OK, it will take about a minute and a half though. -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:47 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25759 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848371:18820:0; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:06:11 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17899; 9 Oct 96 9:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag26389; 9 Oct 96 9:03 BST From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:58:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of unpropagated articles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085852.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:27:00 -0400 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 07 Oct, Ian MacDougall wrote: > Here is a digest of the articles that weren't propagated on the > list because of 'technical difficulties' :) I've trimmed the > headers and sigs etc to cut down on the size of it, but left > From: and Subject: lines. Some of you will have seen some of the > articles, sorry for the duplication. That is all of the msg as I rxed it. You appear to have cut down on the size of the articles you mention quite dramatically ;-) I am also still waiting for a StrongARM compliant version - has this email gone astray too? btw, my snailmail has changed again, to 4405, Twin Oaks Court, Monmouth Junction, New Jersey 08852, USA. See my home page for more details. Thanks, Donald P.S. Ignore my comment about still waiting for SA patch - have just rxed a msg from Lyndon Couch indicating that all upgrades are to be sent by snailmail. Perhaps you would make sure that he's aware of my address change. Thanks again. -- +1-609-275-1193 .... I don't drink water. Fish fuck in it. (W. C. Fields) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:13:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25761 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848378:18820:2; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:06:18 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18587; 9 Oct 96 9:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah26389; 9 Oct 96 9:03 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:52:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085237.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:48:13 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R The last test seems to have worked OK. So here is the digest of articles I failed to send last time. I have also deleted any articles from the backlog of articles that confirmed that the test posting worked, thanks for the input, but I didn't think there was a need for all of the list to see the articles. If you have any problems or you want to confirm things are working email me directly at imac@risc.demon.co.uk. Thanks for your patience here is the digest: From Wed,25 Sep 1996.08:51:13 From:(Ray Dawson) Subject: Altering master pages I have produced several style sheets for business stationery such as letters, invoices etc. They have a master page with several frames on containing logo, address panel, date etc and the main text frame occupying two thirds of the page. Fine. The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, as it should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with the text frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that only the main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger without altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a local frame. The alternative is to use a New Chapter and alter the master frames so that it only has the main text frame, but I can't then get the text to flow from the front page, which is a different chapter. So, I need to create a document with two different master pages, but with the text flowing between them How do I do it? Any help would be appreciated, Ray Dawson From Fri,27 Sep 1996.09:12:49 From:(David Pilling) Subject: Re: Altering master pages >The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, as it >should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with the text >frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that only the >main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger without >altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a local >frame. Firstly, consider the difference between a stylesheet, and a document with no text in the default master frames, and no local frames either. So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a full size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame is too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get the blank frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text that flows, subsequent pages will be of the form of the master page - full size frame with no logo boxes etc. David Pilling From Fri,27 Sep 1996.09:14:12 From:(Roger Noble) Subject: Re: Altering master pages Raw Dawson Wrote: > I have produced several style sheets for business stationery such as letters, > invoices etc. They have a master page with several frames on containing logo, > address panel, date etc and the main text frame occupying two thirds of the > page. Fine. > The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, as it > should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with the text > frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that only the > main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger without > altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a local > frame. I haven't had the opportunity to try this, but if you used a master page with the main text frame filling the whole page (like you need it for the second page), then placed the address and logo frames on top of this with their text run-around set so that the main text started about 2/3 of the way down as you require, then you could delete the address etc frames on the second page and the text should start at the top. As an aside, is there any way of getting OP to write out a style sheet that contains more than one master page? I always get just the one for the current chapter. Roger Noble From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:03:23 From: ovationpro@hq.gag.de Subject: Re: Altering master pages > So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a full > size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first > document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame is > too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. > > Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get the blank > frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text that flows, subsequent > pages will be of the form of the master page - full size frame with no logo boxes > etc. Well, it would be nice if such a document could be saved as real style sheet or whaterver you call it so that upon loading I get a document with no name and thus don't take the risc to overwrite my original document. Herbert Email for this mailing list OvationPro@hq.gag.de From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:08:07 From:(Adrian John Warrick) Subject: Multiple column frames and bottom aligned text I frequently use an A5 two column layout with text aligned to the bottom of the frame starting with the RH column flowing back to the LH col. Having tried this with a multi-column frame, the text will align to the bottom of the Left Hand column only. I could obviously use other means to achieve the desired result, but auto-flow between the two columns would be far more elegant. Second point I would prefer a far more extensive underlining system, line thickness, distance above and below and vertical rules for automatic table constructions, and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. Adrian From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:09:36 From:(Anthony Robert James Brion) Subject: Not picking up new fonts with fontdir 2 I have fontDir 2 installed on my RiscPC, why when I choose a different selection of fonts, from the ones when OvationPro is first loaded, they do not appear in any of OP's font selectors :-( When I have !Style loaded and change my font selection OvationPro displays the new selection of fonts correctly??????? Anyone else had this, or knows how to get OP to always use the new fonts without having !Style loaded? From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:12:08 From:(Ray Dawson) Subject: Re: Altering master pages On Fri 27 Sep 96 (09:12:36 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, >as it >>should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with >the text >>frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that >only the >>main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger >without >>altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a >local >>frame. >Firstly, consider the difference between a stylesheet, and a document >with no text in the default master frames, and no local frames either. >So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a >full >size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first >document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame >is >too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. >Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get >the blank frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text >that flows, subsequent pages will be of the form of the master page - >full size frame with no logo boxes >etc. >David Pilling This unfortunately doesn't work. Firstly, if you overlay a dummy frame to repel the text to the correct starting place in the main frame, it repels the text in the address and date frames. Secondly, the logo, address and date frames aren't saved as part of the stylesheet. The stylesheet will only contain frames that are on the master page and that leads back to the original problem of having frames on the first page via the master page and not on subsequent ones. Ray Dawson From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:13:38 From:(David Thompson) Subject: Re: Altering master pages In message <19960925.085102.22@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > So, I need to create a document with two different master pages, but with the > text flowing between them How do I do it? > > Any help would be appreciated, > Have you tried creating a new chapter from inside the first master page ie two consecutive master pages? Create the first master page; then whilst still in the 'master page mode' select 'create new chapter'to create the second master. When you return to the normal document the first page format will flow as normal and new pages will use the first master page. However if you click on the second page that will then become the active master page. Try it out, it seems to work. Now, why is there no table facility? What a serious shortfall. From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:14:57 From:(David Thompson) Subject: Smart Quotes How does one type in smart quotes when using the RPC keyboard? The quotes generated by using shift 2 simply show as fixed quotes unless one exports the text and then re-imports it, in which case OP renders them as smart quotes. Why can't they be typed in directly? I know about the use of chars or alt but that approach seems long winded. Why does my machine lock up when loading some docs prepared by Ovation? Is there any proposal to add a table facility? From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:16:20 From:(David Graddol) Subject: Two problems with Ovation Pro I have two problems with Ovation Pro which seriously affect its usefulness to me at the moment: (1) Problems with lines (has there been discussion on this list. I recall a mention of it by someone somewhere). Basically, it seems impossible to select and move lines once thy've been placed. Or rather, you *can* select by dragging a select box around a whole line, but it seems the line still can't be repositioned - it can only be changed in length. A smaller problem with lines seems to be that it is impossible to create a dashed line with an arrow head (triangular end point) as the triangle now repeats on each dash rather than once at the line end point. (Ovation didn't do this). (2) Problems with printing using Turbodriver HP Laserprinter. When I try to print, the whole machine crashes most ungracefully. Does anyone have any experience of this? I'm using an EPSON EPL 5500 laser printer (which I see Beebug stock) but I have to revert to the generic Acorn HP driver which doesn't give me sufficiently good half-tone rendition. And, talking of printing, is there any news on when the 'autumn' release of Ovation Pro with support for colour separations is due? Does anyone have a workaround for the 'lines' bug and/or advice about the turbo printer driver? David -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:19:52 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25915 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019086:17103:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:31:26 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16830; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab23208; 11 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Chris Johnson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083830.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:03:25 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Oct, Ian MacDougall wrote: > Largely thanks to Kevin F. Quinn, Graham Allan and David Pilling > I now think I have the mailing list up and running properly. > > So once again I am sending this message as a test. > > I also seemed to have missed out the digest part of the digest > message I sent (oops) so if this message seems to propagate > properly I will resend that message. > > It was not clear whether you wanted a response to this message. Just in case you did - here it is ;-) -- C H R I S J O H N S O N Chemistry Department, Heriot-Watt University, EDINBURGH EH14 4AS Phone: 0131 449 5111 x4116 Fax: 0131 451 3180 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:19:56 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25916 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:19:54 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019087:17001:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:31:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16861; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa23208; 11 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:02 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: The next upgrade and the StrongArm To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101902.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:02:04 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 We are now working on the release version of the software that will form the first major upgrade. We should hopefully start sending these out this week. This version has a new version of the copy-protection that is StrongArm compliant so no more messing around with cache commands for those of you who own the new processor. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:02 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25917 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:19:58 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019087:17056:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:31:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16870; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac23208; 11 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Changing from Ovation to Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083845.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 11:06:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have only just started using Pro, on a RISCPC, having used Ovation on an A3000 for a number of years. Where has the change case option gone to? I receive text which others have typed, often with lots of all caps, which I wish to reduce to lower case or to initial caps, or I hit caps lock instead of shift when typing. Text style has such an option, but I miss shift-control-P. Another shortcut I miss already is Control-S to re-save a document with the same name. F3 followed by return is a two stage process compared to Control-S which is a single stage. Anthony J Hilton Yorkshire Cancer Organisation, Leeds UK ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk Tel: 0113 292 4217 Fax: 0113 292 4132 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:12 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25918 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019163:17784:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:43 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17407; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad23208; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:18:40 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Master pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101840.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:34:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 With reference to all of the enquiries concerning master pages: It is our intention to do some more work on master pages as and when we can. Features we are likely to implement are: Named master pages which will allow you to choose a master page for a chapter from a pool. Subsequent editing of that master page will change all of the chapters that use that master page. The ability to make the default master frame local e.g.so that it can be a different size on page 1 as opposed to page 2, but text will still flow between the frames. An option to link one frame on the master page to another frame so that text will flow from the first frame on page 1 to the second frame on page 2. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25921 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:17 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019165:17806:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:45 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17409; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae23208; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:18:47 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Rules and table generation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101847.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:55:44 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961001.100754.56@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I would prefer a far more extensive underlining system, line thickness, > distance above and below and vertical rules for automatic table > constructions, > and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. Vertical and horizontal rules were in the original spec and David did a fair amount of work implementing them. They were sacrificed to allow us to concentrate on other things before releasing the package. We have yet to decide whether to finish implementing them or build in a table generator. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:30 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25923 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019171:17755:3; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:51 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17596; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:09 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Does this mail work? Problem with saving story To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101909.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:07:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961008.100943.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have also had a problem in saving a story on a marked section of > text. When I drop the icon onto the appropriate filer window the > message 'file already open' appears and the save fails. If you can provide more information I will look into it. Can't reproduce it here. > I have not had time to investigate further. Problems seem to happen > when you are pressed for time. Tell me about it :) -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:40 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25925 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:35 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019172:17807:5; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17674; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af23208; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:18:54 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Altering master pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101854.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:59:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961001.101325.31@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Create the first master page; then whilst still in the 'master page > mode' select 'create new chapter'to create the second master. When you > return to the normal document the first page format will flow as normal and > new pages will use the first master page. However if you click on the > second page that will then become the active master page. > > Try it out, it seems to work. Ow. Yes this does seem to work, but I would recommend against using this 'facility'. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25927 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:46 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019253:18555:2; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:13 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18299; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083853.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:09:28 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Keith Parker writes; [snip] > > EPS export > > Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... This results in a pure PostScript-file, not an E(ncapsuled)PS-file. I'm among those who would rejoice at having EPS import/export in OP, but to be honest it's rather less urgent than separations/local OPI - the basic imagesetting-features. I mean, it's little use in being able to import/export designs destined for imagesetting (which EPS- files usually are, except for logos etc.) if you can't imagesett'em... :) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 42 97 58 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:03 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25930 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:56 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019255:18621:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:15 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18315; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: EPS export To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083901.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:50:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >> .... We wondered if >> it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding >> connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? >Wouldn't it be possible to do this by some modification to the Postscript >printer driver? It would be incredibly useful. A job for Acorn, perhaps. >Richard Lambley _ _ _ >> EPS export >Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... >David Pilling _ _ _ Surely David's suggestion creates a PS (Postscript) output file without the encapsulation needed for the result to be placed in other packages. I think Richard is right, it would need a modification to the printer driver to be able to generate EPS. (The MS Windows printer drivers have it as an option.) Anthony Hilton From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25932 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:06 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019258:18627:2; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:18 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18397; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083908.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 11:38:33 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 9 Oct 96 (08:59:15 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >> I use border 11 in Impression to create crop marks >Use the line drawing tools to draw yourself some crop marks. Not too >bad because you've only got to do it once, and they easily snap into >position. But of course not as easy as using a border. OK! That is one solution but (with all due respect to David) not elegant. Anyone else got a solution on the lines of Publisher - using a border? >> EPS export >Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... But that wouldn't be EPS would it? What about a TIFF preview? Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:14 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25933 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019260:18571:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:20 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18418; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa23208; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083916.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 11:41:18 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 9 Oct 96 (08:59:00 +0000), richard@wireless.demon.co.uk wrote: >On Mon 07 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: > >> Question Two: >> >> .... We wondered if >> it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby >> aiding connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and >> Ventura)? >Wouldn't it be possible to do this by some modification to the >Postscript printer driver? It would be incredibly useful. A job for >Acorn, perhaps. Maybe - I would have thought that Xemplar would be interested in this :-) A really good way that Fruit and Nut could co-operate especially if OPro could both import and export EPS (yes, changed the goalposts)! Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:20 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25934 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:17 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019328:19588:0; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:35:28 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18594; 11 Oct 96 8:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak23208; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:16 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Changing from Ovation to Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101916.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:44 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961010.083845.85@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Where has the change case option gone to? I receive text which others have > typed, often with lots of all caps, which I wish to reduce to lower case or > to initial caps, or I hit caps lock instead of shift when typing. Text > style > has such an option, but I miss shift-control-P. Ctrl-Shift S > Another shortcut I miss already is Control-S to re-save a document with the > same name. F3 followed by return is a two stage process compared to > Control-S which is a single stage. Define a new key macro for Ctrl S that reads: {savedocument("");} and click on Save. You now have your old Ctrl S back (but no keypress for spellcheck). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25935 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019335:19596:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:35:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19119; 11 Oct 96 8:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al23208; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083821.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 18:34:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Quite a few of the points raised, are either bugs which have been fixed or requests for features which have been added. So I'll go through those to start with; Roger Noble; >is there any way of getting OP to write out a style sheet that >contains more than one master page? Bug fixed. Adrian John Warrick; >Having tried this with a multi-column frame, the text will align to the bottom >of the Left Hand column only. I believe this is a bug we fixed - assuming I understand the point, seems to work now. Anthony Robert James Brion; >Not picking up new fonts with fontdir 2 Things are much better now. It's a messy area. Orginally OPro relied on the fonts changed service call. However this is only issued when the font manager realises the fonts have changed. It does this when programs poll various features. Hence the classic symptom of OPro only seeing the fonts change after the font menu in Edit is used. David Thompson; >Smart Quotes We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... David Graddol; > Problems with selecting lines Bad bug, fixed now. > A smaller problem with lines seems to be that it is impossible to > create a dashed line with an arrow head This is the "lines used to be better in Ovation 1 problem". Originally lines in OPro were just like those in Draw. And yes they have shortcomings. There are a few problems here. Some of them I've already fixed, alas others remain for the future. > printing using Turbodriver HP Laserprinter I would be inclined to check you have the latest Turbodriver version. I am not aware of any printer driver problems which are caused by OPro. But always interested to hear... Herbert zur Nedden; >Well, it would be nice if such a document could be saved as real style sheet >or whaterver you call it so that upon loading I get a document with no name >and thus don't take the risc to overwrite my original document. Saving such a template document as DDL just about does this for you. ; >tables, colour seps. etc. As I understand it the priority now is adding colour separation and various other graphics type things. Once we've done that, tables are a definite possibility. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:22:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25937 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:22:04 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019342:19712:3; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:35:42 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19222; 11 Oct 96 8:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am23208; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Altering master pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083838.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 10:59:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Longish quote >>The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, >as it >>should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with >the text >>frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that >only the >>main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger >without >>altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a >local >>frame. >Firstly, consider the difference between a stylesheet, and a document >with no text in the default master frames, and no local frames either. >So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a >full >size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first >document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame >is >too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. >Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get >the blank frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text >that flows, subsequent pages will be of the form of the master page - >full size frame with no logo boxes >etc. >David Pilling This unfortunately doesn't work. Firstly, if you overlay a dummy frame to repel the text to the correct starting place in the main frame, it repels the text in the address and date frames. Secondly, the logo, address and date frames aren't saved as part of the stylesheet. The stylesheet will only contain frames that are on the master page and that leads back to the original problem of having frames on the first page via the master page and not on subsequent ones. Ray Dawson endquote (sorry but I'm using MSMail on a non-RISC pc thingy, and it doesn't generate the nice quoted text markers!) Ray, You need to save the document David described as an OP *document* - possibly called 'stylesheet' - not as an OP stylesheet, and make it read only (sorry again for the DOS type terminology, I'm sure RISCOS uses a different term but I'm not sure what) so that you cannot accidentally over-write it. Anthony J Hilton Yorkshire Cancer Organisation, Leeds UK ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk Tel: 0113 292 4217 Fax: 0113 292 4132 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 15:19:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26115 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:19:52 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845277939:15341:2; Mon, 14 Oct 96 08:25:39 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa14928; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab13596; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST From: "Eason, Dave, EASONDC2" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:40:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Problems with Pictures in Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961011.084058.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 07:10:00 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Folks, Can anyone help me with this? I'm running OP 2.24 on a Mark 1 Risc PC (RiscOS 3.5), along with TurboDrivers (4.04). When I put pictures (both Draw and Sprite formats) in the document, they appear fine on screen, but some of them appear inverted about the horizontal axis when printed. Any ideas? Dave Eason -- I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'll carry on regardless (The Beautiful South) BT may not necessarily agree with what I say, I seldom do! From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 15:19:58 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26116 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:19:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845277941:15410:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 08:25:41 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa14933; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac13596; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:27:48 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Problems with Pictures in Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961011.092748.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:26:05 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961011.084058.96@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'm running OP 2.24 on a Mark 1 Risc PC (RiscOS 3.5), along with > TurboDrivers (4.04). When I put pictures (both Draw and Sprite formats) in > the document, they appear fine on screen, but some of them appear inverted > about the horizontal axis when printed. > > Any ideas? Turbo & Laser Direct Printer Drivers ------------------------------------ 1. A problem with Turbo drivers and the Laser Direct printer driver causes pictures in irregular frames to be printed upside down. This may be corrected as follows: a. Load file !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into !Edit. b. Change line 10 so that it reads printchoices2(1,0,0,0); c. Re-save the Choices file. d. Re-run Ovation Pro. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:16:50 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26145 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:16:48 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845302908:17046:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:21:48 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16415; 14 Oct 96 15:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa00560; 14 Oct 96 15:19 BST From: Kevin Pearcey Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Instaling to a SCSI drive To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141427.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 20:05:54 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation Pro. The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. How can I sort this out please. -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:16:55 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26146 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845302988:17956:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:23:08 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17372; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac01568; 14 Oct 96 15:21 BST From: Herbert zur Nedden Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:22 +0000 Organization: German Archimedes Group Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141422.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:15:35 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R David Pilling wrote, > David Thompson; > >Smart Quotes > > We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? Herbert -- /---------------------------------------+----------------------\ | Herbert zur Nedden | email: hzn@hq.gag.de | | | ftp: ftp.gag.de | | German Archimedes Group (Headquarter) | www: www.gag.de | \---------------------------------------+----------------------/ Herausgeber DER deutschen Acorn-Zeitschrift - Infos: info@gag.de From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:00 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26147 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:16:57 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845302992:17926:3; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:23:12 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17647; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad01568; 14 Oct 96 15:21 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141412.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:54:55 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > constructions, > and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. And bear in mind you can currently embed lines in the text flow. >>Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... >But that wouldn't be EPS would it? What about a TIFF preview? This is whinging, kids stuff to edit the PS file, and add the few bits of extra EPS stuff by hand. Seriously if it is the TIFF preview that is the source of your worries, then a solution is reasonably possible. You'd have to have a sort of double printer driver, one half PS, and the other like the ArcFax driver generating a bit map. EPS import which involves rendering the embedded bit map is also doable. What's much tougher and unlikely this side of the milenium is rendering raw PS. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:07 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26148 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:02 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303069:18818:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:24:29 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18185; 14 Oct 96 15:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Tony Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Rules and table generation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141407.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:15:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 **** Reply to your E-mail dated Thu, 10 Oct 1996 at 10:18:47 **** >In message <19961001.100754.56@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> I would prefer a far more extensive underlining system, line thickness, >> distance above and below and vertical rules for automatic table >> constructions, >> and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. > >Vertical and horizontal rules were in the original spec and David did a >fair amount of work implementing them. They were sacrificed to allow us to >concentrate on other things before releasing the package. We have yet to >decide whether to finish implementing them or build in a table generator. > Oh, yes, please! And overlining please, useful for logic expressions, and for totals under a column. At the risk of being off-topic, but whilst talking about wish-lists, the 'active date' facility is a brilliant idea, but how about it showing the last-saved date instead of changing at each load? Also, I would greatly appreciate a word-count on a marked block of text. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:15 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26149 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303075:18925:0; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:24:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18556; 14 Oct 96 15:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141417.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:00:39 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 David wrote: >As I understand it the priority now is adding colour separation and various other >graphics type things. Once we've done that, tables are a definite possibility. Great stuff with all the bug-fixes and additions. I'll join in the request for pre-press support made by pixeleyes and others. For imagesetting we need: * Crop and registration marks * Colour separations - including native handling of CMYK images - Artworks takes CMYK TIFF files and seems to convert them to RGB before separating them as CMYK for imagesetting (?!), so that a CMYK TIFF with the cyan component deliberately removed, gains one when you view the Artworks separation! * Definable printers marks - I don't know if Impression Publisher does these Artworks certainly doesn't - you just get the separation ink name when you really need to have the job name, and your own name/contact details on every separation. * OPI - arguably slightly less important - one can always strip in separately scanned images manually, but we all use DTP nowadays for a reason... Any clues on timescales on these sorts of things? I'm doing lay-up for imagesetters in Artworks at the moment, and having just bought OPro, I don't want to pay CC for an upgrade from Publisher to Pub Plus to get a pre-press facility! I've got long-term work pending for one client, which I'm hanging onto, as I don't want to start laying-up in Artworks if the OPro upgrade is coming in a fortnight. But if it's a month, or two months, or an Artworks release away, I'd rather get on with it now. So, any ideas? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26150 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:23 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303150:19814:0; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:25:50 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18711; 14 Oct 96 15:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Dr Colin Whitehead Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141432.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 96 14:50:03 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hello all I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. Since I wanted to use the program, I swapped the strongarm for my old arm710 but Ovation still refuses to run - I get an error "Internal error: branch through zero at &03813AEC" I thought re-installing may help, in case something had been corrupted, but running either the installer or the floppy copy of Ovation produce the same error. Would the copy protection have caused this? I originally installed OvationPro into $.Apps, but I renamed this directory when installing Risc OS 3.7, then moved ovation back into the apps directory once everything was running. OvationPro is version 2.31 Has anyone seen any problems like this? bye Colin -- "Read between the lines, | Colin Whitehead criticize the words they're selling. | colinw@argonet.co.uk Think for yourself and feel the walls | cjw@phys.strath.ac.uk become sand beneath your feet." Anybody Listening? Queensryche From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:33 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26151 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303162:19814:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:26:02 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18954; 14 Oct 96 15:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2.36 Upgrade - Its not working for me :-( To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141437.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 96 00:05:57 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi folks, I got the upgrade 2.36 today and installed it tonight. I am using 3.7 + SA110 so its arrival was very welcome :-) But... I have some problems: 1) I use !FontDir2 (v2.01) all the time and I tried to load some of my documents created in OPro v2.24 and the FontDir problem still exists :-( 2) I changed the appearance of a document, didn't like it so I 'discarded' it! It crashed the computer. 3) On seven documents when the correct fonts were not installed I chose the temporary replacement loading option and I got the following error: Ovation has suffered a Type 5 error and must quit immediately (I think the wording is correct). I checked this out with RISC OS3.5 and an ARM610 and got the same results. I have gone back to v2.24 as I know it works to complete a project. I'll let you know about the combination of RISC OS3.7 and a 610 later. Please - any help/guidance etc very much needed and appreciated :-) Cheers Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:24 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26260 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845450926:17578:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:28:46 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17296; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad24018; 16 Oct 96 8:26 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085537.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:17:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? Can't see any reason why not, the script is very simple. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:42 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26263 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:36 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845450932:17574:3; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:28:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17345; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac24018; 16 Oct 96 8:26 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:44 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085544.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:21:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R >I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation Pro. >The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! >When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI >drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive a new version that fixes this problem. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:52 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26265 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451002:18275:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:02 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17978; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah24018; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085559.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:21:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Tony van der Hoff; >Also, I would greatly appreciate a word-count on a marked block of text. Added in the latest versions. Herbert zur Nedden; >Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? I would assume so. It's a script file you can hack it as much as you like. Nick Kaijaks; > * Crop and registration marks Already in there? Other ideas useful though... Keith Parker; > Font Dir OPro does work correctly when FontDir changes the available fonts. What OPro does not support is auto loading fonts when a document is loaded. My understanding is that Adrian Look has done a new scanner module to allow this. > Missing font crashes, various versions etc. It seems there is a bug (probably in all versions) where a crash can result from increasing the size of the undo buffer. In your case the files had been saved with a 4K buffer, and your new copy of the program defaulted to 8K. So on loading the undo buffer was increased to 8K. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:58 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26267 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451007:18277:2; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:07 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18064; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag24018; 16 Oct 96 8:27 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:30 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Professional printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085530.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:15:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 [snipped] >Any clues on timescales on these sorts of things? I'm doing lay-up for >imagesetters in Artworks at the moment, and having just bought OPro, I don't >want to pay CC for an upgrade from Publisher to Pub Plus to get a pre-press >facility! I've got long-term work pending for one client, which I'm >hanging onto, as I don't want to start laying-up in Artworks if the OPro >upgrade is coming in a fortnight. But if it's a month, or two months, or an >Artworks release away, I'd rather get on with it now. So, any ideas? The next major upgrade that includes professional colour printing facilities will not be available until the beginning of next year at the earliest. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:03 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26268 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451010:18279:2; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:10 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18107; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai24018; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:56:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085614.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 18:48:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 14 Oct 96 (14:14:32 +0000), colinw@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Hello all > >I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run >on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it >just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. [snip] > >OvationPro is version 2.31 > >Has anyone seen any problems like this? Yes, I have exactly the same problem, same version. However, I gather the upgrade is being shipped even as I write this :-) (as long as you don't want it on SCSI :-( Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:09 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26269 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451014:18387:4; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:14 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18206; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj24018; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST From: Jeremy Cocks Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Problems with Pictures in Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085522.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:11:43 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 14 Oct, Eason, Dave, EASONDC2 wrote: > > > Folks, > > Can anyone help me with this? > > I'm running OP 2.24 on a Mark 1 Risc PC (RiscOS 3.5), along with > TurboDrivers (4.04). When I put pictures (both Draw and Sprite formats) in > the document, they appear fine on screen, but some of them appear inverted > about the horizontal axis when printed. > > Any ideas? > > Dave Eason > -- > I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'll carry on regardless (The > Beautiful South) > BT may not necessarily agree with what I say, I seldom do! > Hi Dave, I'm also running an Original RiscPC but using LaserDirect with version 2.31 of OvPro in a readme file it says to:....... Turbo & Laser Direct Printer Drivers ------------------------------------ 1. A problem with Turbo drivers and the Laser Direct printer driver causes pictures in irregular frames to be printed upside down. This may be corrected as follows: a. Load file !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into !Edit. b. Change line 10 so that it reads printchoices2(1,0,0,0); c. Re-save the Choices file. d. Re-run Ovation Pro. I find Draw & ArtWorks files are OK but and sprite files will invert, try!!!! -- Signature - Jeremy Cocks e-mail foxncox@manawatu.gen.nz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:14 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26270 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451092:19071:2; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:31:32 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18924; 16 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak24018; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:56:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085607.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 21:26:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 The Guru wrote: >>But that wouldn't be EPS would it? What about a TIFF preview? >This is whinging, kids stuff to edit the PS file, and add the few bits of >extra EPS stuff by hand. Seriously if it is the TIFF preview that is the >source of your worries, then a solution is reasonably possible. You'd have >to have a sort of double printer driver, one half PS, and the other like >the ArcFax driver generating a bit map. To you it maybe but most of us, mere mortals, wouldn't know where to start :-) >EPS import which involves rendering the embedded bit map is also doable. Good news ;-) >What's much tougher and unlikely this side of the milenium is rendering raw >PS. As quickly as that - now my contacts at Quark tell me that even they can't work that one out (properly) :-) Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26271 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:16 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451094:19088:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:31:34 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18979; 16 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al24018; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: George Foot Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085552.39@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:45:33 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 14 Oct, Dr Colin Whitehead wrote: > Hello all > > I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run > on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it > just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. > Since I wanted to use the program, I swapped the strongarm for my old > arm710 but Ovation still refuses to run - I get an error > "Internal error: branch through zero at &03813AEC" > I thought re-installing may help, in case something had been corrupted, but > running either the installer or the floppy copy of Ovation produce the > same error. > > Would the copy protection have caused this? I originally installed > OvationPro into $.Apps, but I renamed this directory when installing > Risc OS 3.7, then moved ovation back into the apps directory once > everything was running. > > OvationPro is version 2.31 > > Has anyone seen any problems like this? > > bye > Colin > > -- > "Read between the lines, | Colin Whitehead > criticize the words they're selling. | colinw@argonet.co.uk > Think for yourself and feel the walls | cjw@phys.strath.ac.uk > become sand beneath your feet." Anybody Listening? Queensryche > I am using Ovation Pro with StrongARM and so far have no trouble which is fortunate as I have an urgent task in hand. My friendly Acorn Dealer fixed it all for me when he installed my StrongARM. George -- georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk http://www.cybervillage.co.uk/personal/gfoot/ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26272 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:23 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451164:19796:0; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:32:44 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19400; 16 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am24018; 16 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:56:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085624.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 22:28:54 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 14 Oct 96 (14:14:32 +0000), colinw@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Hello all > >I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run >on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it >just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. >Since I wanted to use the program, I swapped the strongarm for my old >arm710 but Ovation still refuses to run - I get an error >"Internal error: branch through zero at &03813AEC" >I thought re-installing may help, in case something had been corrupted, >but running either the installer or the floppy copy of Ovation produce >the same error. >Would the copy protection have caused this? I originally installed >OvationPro into $.Apps, but I renamed this directory when installing >Risc OS 3.7, then moved ovation back into the apps directory once >everything was running. Looks like it! >OvationPro is version 2.31 You should be getting 2.36 which will solve all your problems. I got mine on Saturday and thanks to David I am well happy :-) A little note: OvationPro defaults it undo buffer to 8K. I saved some very simple documents with a 4K undo buffer with v2.24 and 2.36 didn't like them. If you have a file with an undo bufferset to less than 8K and it won't load or gives you a Type=5 error, simply load OPro, set the undo buffer to 4 (or whatever) and reload you file. Whizz bang its there! Thanks, (Guru), David Pilling! Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:34 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26273 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:28 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845455269:03150:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 09:41:09 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02889; 16 Oct 96 9:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj17912; 16 Oct 96 9:40 BST From: Kevin Pearcey Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:35:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961016.093522.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:17:47 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Right, well just to add some wood to the fire - here are a fwe wish points from myself. * Style complient dialogues where Return makes then close. * A key press for zoom drag box, and return to previous zoom setting This is the feature I use the most in Impression - and so miss the most. * How about extending the available macros. What I would like to do is be able to select options from dialogues such as alter frame - Then I can have a button that makes non-repelling 2 column frames with a black background, and similar operations for the 3 other standard frame settings I require. * When using colums in a frame, setting the inset does not spread the column sizes internally, so for 3 columns you get two small columns at the edges and a wide one in the middle. * An easy way of setting horizontal and vertical insets as opposed to editing the frame repels and attempting to keep them vertical/horizontal. * Get rid of the scrolling panes (.. well I can dream for a usable UI) * Have an option to fix the status bar at the top of the window - If I move it there then it gets moved off screen when I resize the window. * Some way to make the repel and frame shapes equal to each other. Having set an irregular repel on an object - Quite often I need to edit the frame outline to obscure unwanted parts of the image - Using paint to add a mask takes a long time and adds a lot to the size of an image. * Sort out the strange font menu that displays the wrong font names. (How about some more reading of the style guide?) Well, I'm sure there are more but I can't remember then right now - I'll let you know once I find something I have to use it for. Cheers -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:02 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26396 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624295:17442:0; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:38:15 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17125; 18 Oct 96 8:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af26256; 18 Oct 96 8:37 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:39 +0000 Organization: home Subject: re: this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084039.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:56:32 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell at first glance what posting are from where. The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the same, please? -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:04 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26397 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:03 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624374:18145:0; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:39:34 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17831; 18 Oct 96 8:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab26256; 18 Oct 96 8:37 BST From: John Cartmell Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084057.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1996 19:03:21 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive >a new version that fixes this problem. Will this work with SCSI or the original disc - I'll be doing a fair amount of swapping about in the near future and may need to use either/both ? If so please make this a yes please. BTW I'm still on v 2.26 John Cartmell serial number 01238 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:06 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26398 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624378:18057:1; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:39:38 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17830; 18 Oct 96 8:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad26256; 18 Oct 96 8:38 BST From: Graham Allan Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:06 +0000 Organization: University of Minnesota Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084106.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:39:03 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961015.085607.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Mr K Parker wrote: > The Guru wrote: > > >What's much tougher and unlikely this side of the milenium is rendering raw > >PS. > > As quickly as that - now my contacts at Quark tell me that even they can't work > that one out (properly) :-) Use an add-on program - like RiScript Pro, which I saw advertised? Graham From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:09 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26399 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:07 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624536:19828:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:42:16 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19409; 18 Oct 96 8:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an26256; 18 Oct 96 8:40 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084048.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 17:16:23 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Kevin Pearcey; > * Style complient dialogues where Return makes then close. I agree whole heartedly with this. As I understand it the current method is in aid of RISC OS 3.10 which does not do things the same way as 3.50 etc. This feature, you don't like - moving the caret in response to return, is only built into the template file. You can edit the templates and make it work the way you want. > * A key press for zoom drag box, and return to previous zoom setting > This is the feature I use the most in Impression - and so miss the most. Added in the latest version. > Quite often I need to edit the frame outline to obscure unwanted parts of the image You could also edit the frame inset curve. > * Sort out the strange font menu that displays the wrong font names. Next time, I promise. > (How about some more reading of the style guide?) Fortune has not favoured those who stuck to the style guide. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:11 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26400 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624539:19850:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:42:19 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19406; 18 Oct 96 8:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai26256; 18 Oct 96 8:40 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084123.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:32:37 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 15 Oct 96 (08:55:44 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >>I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation >>Pro. The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! >>When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI >>drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. >I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive > a new version that fixes this problem. Yes, please and thank you! Keith -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ============================================================================ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:13 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26401 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624616:20701:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:43:36 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa20187; 18 Oct 96 8:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj26256; 18 Oct 96 8:40 BST From: Adrian John Warrick Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084131.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 20:08:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 15 Oct 96 (08:55:44 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >>I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation >Pro. >>The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! >>When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI >>drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. > >I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive > a new version that fixes this problem. Would appreciate it Ian please I use a Cumana SCSI II plus 1 Gb plus proteus PD Adrian Warrick 40 Eccleston Rd Ealing London W13 0RL Tel 0181 574 5389 0181 567 6417 0973 152735 Best wishes Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26402 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:14 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624619:20731:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:43:39 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa20270; 18 Oct 96 8:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab26256; 18 Oct 96 8:41 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084114.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:45:16 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 15 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: =20 > As quickly as that - now my contacts at Quark tell me that even they > can't work that one out (properly) :-) Ah, but it is entirely possible (to render Postscript code to screen instead of paper/film) - it is after all what Ghostscript, RiScript and other programs do (with varying degrees of success). There will be separate programs which will fulfill this function soon; methinks Uniqueway (?) has a version of RiScript (Pro) in the works, and I believe there are other efforts in this area as well. These programs will be immensely valuable *if they get it right*: proofing PS to screen is a *bit* faster/cheaper than doing the same to film. On the topic of EPS: I feel we should adopt the format used between Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop / Quark Xpress. I know I=91ve said it before, but I repeat: If support for this format had been added to Ovation Pro, Photodesk 2, Composition and other often-used desktop design-tools in Acorn publishing-contexts, we=91d see a *massive* improvement in our ability to work seamlessly with Mac-based setups, the de facto "industry standard" in the publishing world, wether we like it or not. When Acorn/ Xemplar/ANT get the issue of connecting Acorn-networks straight to Mac-networks sorted out, we'll be home and dry. :) I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) --=20 Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen =20 a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 42 97 58 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:07 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26519 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:06 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895429:01513:4; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:57:09 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01229; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Stephen Harrison Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101700.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:13:14 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L -- Stephen Harrison From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26520 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:09 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895500:02320:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:58:20 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01423; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Kevin Pearcey Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: SIGNON OVATIONP-L To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101710.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:12:13 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R SIGNON OVATIONP-L -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:13 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26521 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895508:02320:2; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:58:28 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01920; 21 Oct 96 11:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Matthew Hambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: Run-around graphic glitch To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101604.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:41:35 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Has anyone else had a problem with the run-around graphic aption going a little mad? Or do I just use "worst case" graphis frequently? When I told the system to run around a bit map I had imported I got several blank lines around it where I presume the run around code wasn't working quite right. (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26522 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895517:02352:5; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:58:37 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02168; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:28 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Termite interferes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101728.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:52:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Solved - sorry. One of the modules that Termite asks for - and shouldn't - causes the trouble. I had, of course, taken it out of the old version but then a new one came - curses! -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:22 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26523 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895602:03405:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:00:02 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03004; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Matthew Hambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101623.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:03:46 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) Well I think that "upgrading" Ovatin Pro to MSWord 666 would in fact be a downgrade. OP is a DTP package. It is not designed to have all the features of a word processor because it isn't one! (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:25 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26524 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:24 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895685:04396:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:25 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03366; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Mr S Pampling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:18:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101814.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 22:53:43 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Thu 17 Oct 96 (08:41:14 +0000), pixeleye@sn.no wrote: >I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those >participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed >towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ >Word? The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes >lately has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) I see no real reason to compete with only one of the two. Build the decent features of either or both into the FULL install and you can pick and choose which parts you install as per the current selective install set up. (I just know I'm going to be accused of encouraging code bloat...) -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventy Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:28 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26525 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895687:04482:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03711; 21 Oct 96 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:19 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Termite interferes with Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101719.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 17:24:54 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R As in the subject, Termite interferes with Ovation Pro. After Termite has started downloading news and/or mail Ctrl characters no longer work in Ovation Pro. Just loading Termite and connecting to the ISP has no effect, it's the next step that causes the damage. There is no effect with other programs such as Zap or Impression. OvPro ver. 2.36 - it did it before that but it's taken me a while to look for the cause. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:31 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26526 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:29 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895688:04492:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:28 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03749; 21 Oct 96 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ap19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: "ovationpro@hq.gag.de" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:14 +0000 Organization: German Archimedes Group Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101614.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:02:13 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R > > We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... > Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? > Can't see any reason why not, the script is very simple. Sorry, I asked this stupid question - I didn't have the new version at that time. When I saw the script It took me just a few seconds to change it. Thanks! Herbert -- /---------------------------------------+----------------------\ | Herbert zur Nedden | email: hzn@hq.gag.de | | | ftp: ftp.gag.de | | German Archimedes Group (Headquarter) | www: www.gag.de | \---------------------------------------+----------------------/ Email for this mailing list OvationPro@hq.gag.de From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:35 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26527 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:33 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895697:04545:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:37 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04158; 21 Oct 96 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aq19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: re this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101642.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 09:40:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Peter Bond wrote: I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell at first glance what posting are from where. The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the same, please? === I respond: I also get mail from two lists which (I assume use the same software and) show "maillist" as the sender. Acorn Cybervillage Announcement is always the subject line so you know where that has come from. A different list I receive reports its sender as "owner-PAGEMAKR", so you know which list it is from. Also such from identification means I can easily group messages from the same source by sorting on the sender's name. I suggest that we would find it useful if Ian could change the sender's name to OvnPro-list, or some such. Anthony J Hilton Yorkshire Cancer Organisation, Leeds UK ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk Tel: 0113 292 4217 Fax: 0113 292 4132 Home: 0113 226 9059 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:37 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26528 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:36 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895770:05441:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:02:50 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04578; 21 Oct 96 12:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Tony Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101651.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:13:30 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R **** Reply to your E-mail dated Thu, 17 Oct 1996 at 08:40:39 **** > >I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell >at first glance what posting are from where. > >The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to >say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the >same, please? > You have a Demon account, so any number of mailboxes. Just set up a mailbox called PvationP-L, and get the maillist sent there! HTH, Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: Member of the TRUST Group of independant IT consultants ---------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:41 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26529 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895771:05424:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:02:51 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04585; 21 Oct 96 12:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ay19303; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST From: David Thompson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:18:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Images v Words To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101805.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:13:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R S,W. Tengelsen wrote: > > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) > I thought O Pro was marketed as a DTP package, not an art package. For my needs, good text manipulation features are essential - supported by artwork facilities. This means the inclusion of such things as sexed quotes, tables, auto para numbering and the like. My documents are of a technical content, reproduction quantities rarely exceed 50, and colour requirements are usually restricted to Clients' logos and technical diagrams. Quality and ease of use are important. Whilst I abhor the "education" label that is associated with Acorn products, in this instance I imagine that the needs of that major sector of Acorn users are not dissimilar to my own. Let's concentrate on the needs of the majority and sort out the missing text features first. Regards -- Dave Thompson From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:45 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26530 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:44 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895777:05492:2; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:02:57 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04936; 21 Oct 96 12:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ar19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: "ovationpro@hq.gag.de" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:18:23 +0000 Organization: German Archimedes Group Subject: re: this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101823.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:14:38 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Hi Peter Bond, > I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell > at first glance what posting are from where. > > The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to > say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the > same, please? Look at the header. There is a line stating what you're looking for: To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Anyhow, why don't you just use a different user for each mailing list. That's just what I do and thus no hassle. Herbert -- /---------------------------------------+----------------------\ | Herbert zur Nedden | email: hzn@hq.gag.de | | | ftp: ftp.gag.de | | German Archimedes Group (Headquarter) | www: www.gag.de | \---------------------------------------+----------------------/ Email for this mailing list OvationPro@hq.gag.de From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:51 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26531 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:49 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895785:05527:2; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:03:05 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa05185; 21 Oct 96 12:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id au19303; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:18:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: OP and StrongArm To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101832.70@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 96 20:41:04 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R How do other users boot their Filters directory? Prior to StrongArm, I had a line in my Desktop file: Repeat Filer_Boot ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.Filters -Applications With StrongArm, this line hangs the computer during start up. It's Ok if I type it out after boot up has finished, and it does filer_boot the contents of the Filters directory which are: !TransDDF, !TransFSI, !TransPCD and !TRansRTF so there is nothing wrong with the apps themselves. So, why doesn't it work with SA, and what is the next best way of doing it? At the moment, I have put the !Trans apps into the Applets directory, but I'm not sure that is the best place for them. I'm using OP 2.36. Any suggestions? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26532 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:52 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895785:05422:3; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:03:05 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa05317; 21 Oct 96 12:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id av19303; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:33 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101633.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:58:51 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R "S. W. Tengelsen" wrote: > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) It would certainly be very nice if it could be thus developed: if 'very nice' is a bit faint it's because my *main* use is as a word-processor, and all those wishes probably reflect the majority of users. Most unfortunate! The other problem for those of us who use what we regard as 'advanced features' not-too-often is that if the package is developed so far then its price will have to go up substantially and we won't be able to afford it - and neither will Beebug! Now, if there were more professional users . . . -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:57 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26533 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895866:06404:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:04:26 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa05836; 21 Oct 96 12:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id az19303; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101737.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:00:49 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In the message sent at 8:41am on Thu, 17 Oct '96, Sveinung wrote: >On the topic of EPS: I feel we should adopt the format used between >Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop / Quark Xpress. Massive me too on this. Almost every problem I've had with getting things imageset has been along the lines of "Oh, it's not a Mac then? Well, we're not really used to PCs to be honest... it's not a PC either!? Well, I'm not sure we can help you then..." I think we should at least have the option of a Mac type export, even if OPro has its own flavour of EPS. >I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those >participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed >towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? >The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately >has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) Well, I have no problem with the word processing features - as long as OPro can do the rest *as well*! MS Word is hideous for any kind of prepress work, and printers won't generally touch it with a barge-pole. Quark/PageMaker is what we should be setting our sights on, if we are to be taken seriously in the publishing world. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:16:02 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26534 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:58 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895877:06413:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:04:37 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa05980; 21 Oct 96 12:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aw19303; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101747.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 14:22:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Thu 17 Oct 96 (08:40:48 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >> (How about some more reading of the style guide?) > >Fortune has not favoured those who stuck to the style guide. > Neither does fortune favour those who do C_A (as per style guide) to select all the text and find they have removed all the styles and effects from previously selected text! C_A for select all and C_S for swap case do seem to be universally recognised in the Acorn fraternity, apart from being in the style guide. OP is alone in using CS_ versions of these commands. I have altered these in the script files, but it would be useful to have had the ImpKeys script mentioned in the Readme file - it was missing in my upgrade, presumably because disc 5 isn't included. Any chance of a copy by email please? I'm very impressed with many of the updated features, ie toggle foe styles and improved drag and drop. Thank you very much for listening. Cheers Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:16:07 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26535 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:16:03 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895955:07631:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:05:55 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa06462; 21 Oct 96 12:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ax19303; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST From: Graham Allan Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101756.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:12:16 -0500 (CDT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R "S. W. Tengelsen" wrote: >On the topic of EPS: I feel we should adopt the format used between >Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop / Quark Xpress. I know I=91ve said it before, >but I repeat: If support for this format had been added to Ovation Pro, >Photodesk 2, Composition and other often-used desktop design-tools in >Acorn publishing-contexts, we=91d see a *massive* improvement in our >ability to work seamlessly with Mac-based setups, the de facto "industry >standard" in the publishing world, wether we like it or not. EPS import would certainly help here, as it seems to be an often-used format for graphics in QXP. What does QXP do when outputting such images to a non-PS printer, BTW - does it just print the tiff preview? > When Acorn/ >Xemplar/ANT get the issue of connecting Acorn-networks straight to >Mac-networks sorted out, we'll be home and dry. :) Omniclient 2 should fix this, shouldn't it? >I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those >participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed >towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) It seems more like Xpress than Word to me at present (though I have only dabbled with either of the above). What WP-like wishes were you thinking of - tables, etc?. Graham From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 16:39:29 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26630 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 16:38:09 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996272:04182:2; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:57:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03662; 22 Oct 96 15:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ao18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Fred Bambrough Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:04:45 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: RE: re this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090445.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:50:57 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:42 +0000, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > Peter Bond wrote: > > I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell > at first glance what posting are from where. > > The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to > say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the > same, please? > > === > > I respond: > > I also get mail from two lists which (I assume use the same software and) > show "maillist" as the sender. Acorn Cybervillage Announcement is always the > subject line so you know where that has come from. > > A different list I receive reports its sender as "owner-PAGEMAKR", so you > know which list it is from. Also such from identification means I can easily > group messages from the same source by sorting on the sender's name. > > I suggest that we would find it useful if Ian could change the sender's name > to OvnPro-list, or some such. But you're using TTFN and, at a guess, Newsbase. -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:14 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26656 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:13 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995620:26021:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:47:00 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25209; 22 Oct 96 15:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa18628; 22 Oct 96 15:43 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:03:59 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090359.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:51:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Tony wrote: > You have a Demon account, so any number of mailboxes. Just set up a > mailbox called PvationP-L, and get the maillist sent there! I've done that now - but it would still be useful to have a standard header. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:23 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26659 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995620:26030:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:47:00 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25199; 22 Oct 96 15:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab18628; 22 Oct 96 15:44 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:04 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090504.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:53:31 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 "ovationpro@hq.gag.de" wrote: > Look at the header. There is a line stating what you're looking for: To: > Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L That depends on ones mail reader - mine suppresses that info, usually it's more helpful that way. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:25 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26660 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995631:26146:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:47:11 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25446; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad18628; 22 Oct 96 15:44 BST From: "Frode M. Wells" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090531.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:07:04 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Frode M. Wells 835 82nd Street #3 Miami Beach, FL 33141-1370 USA Phone: +1 (305) 861-2931 Email: frodemwells@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~frodemwells ---------- > From: Stephen Harrison > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Subject: SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L > Date: 21 October 1996 05:17 > > SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L > > -- > Stephen Harrison > > > From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:27 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26661 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995730:27088:5; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:48:50 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa26858; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: William Kerr Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:03:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Help - modules? & Printing. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090348.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:50:13 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi All, Just StrongArmed computer and OvnPro. On loading error window informs me that I need ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. Where, & what other modules might I need. I also have a Canon BJC600 (Printers 1.54) but when I cancel print it ignores this and continues, using alt cancels printing but on subsequent attempts printer spews garbage. TIA, Great machine,(Risc PC600 orig.), great App,(ovationPro), wonderful StrongArm - pity about the WeakLink at the keyboard! Bill. -- Bill on the Hill. mailto:bkerr@burnton.demon.co.uk http://www.burnton.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:29 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26662 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:28 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995730:27041:6; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:48:50 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa26864; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac18628; 22 Oct 96 15:45 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:40:33 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Termite interferes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.154033.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:40:51 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961021.101728.00@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Solved - sorry. One of the modules that Termite asks for - and shouldn't - > causes the trouble. I had, of course, taken it out of the old version but > then a new one came - curses! > Yes the SerialUtils module causes this problem. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:32 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26663 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:30 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995809:28144:1; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:50:09 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27368; 22 Oct 96 15:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: Mike Williams Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:59 +0000 Organization: Akalat Publishing Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Acorn Publisher To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090559.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:05:12 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I edit and publish Acorn Publisher, the magazine for all dtp users. We are planning a regular series of articles relating to Ovation Pro. Anyone who would like to contribute to these pages please email me at akalat@kbnet.co.uk. See me at Acorn World. The purpose will be largely to encourage full use of all Ovation Pro's features, including srcipts and applets. I hope we can support Ovation Pro in this way and encourage more Acorn users to give it a try. Mike Williams Acorn Publisher From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:34 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26664 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:33 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995811:28161:2; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:50:11 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27438; 22 Oct 96 15:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:40:22 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Run-around graphic glitch To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.154023.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:38:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961021.101604.48@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with the run-around graphic aption going a > little mad? Or do I just use "worst case" graphis frequently? > > When I told the system to run around a bit map I had imported I got several > blank lines around it where I presume the run around code wasn't working > quite right. The blank lines are generally caused by the run around curve crossing over itself. Try increasing the runaround error in the Choices dialogue to help or edit the run around line manually for complex shapes. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:37 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26665 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:35 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995811:28177:2; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:50:11 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27499; 22 Oct 96 15:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af18628; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:06:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090608.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 23:11:13 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 21 Oct 96 (10:18:14 +0000), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Thu 17 Oct 96 (08:41:14 +0000), pixeleye@sn.no wrote: >>I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those >>participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed >>towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ >>Word? The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes >>lately has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) >I see no real reason to compete with only one of the two. Build the >decent features of either or both into the FULL install and you can >pick and choose which parts you install as per the current selective >install set up. May I be most respectful here and state that if OvationPro was to pick and choose the 'best parts' of Squark and Word then OvationPro would be in great danger of failing between a rock and a hard place. If OvationPro has to 'emulate' any product then, IMHO, that product should be Squark as OvationPro is a DTP package not a word processor. As it happens, even as it stands it is so far ahead of Squark in the WP stakes that we only need to look at the layout tools, etc. As for Word - forget it ;-) Keith (trying to be repectful) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ============================================================================ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:39 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26666 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:38 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995891:29179:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:51:31 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa28076; 22 Oct 96 15:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: Robert Chrismas Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:40 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090540.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 19:48:51 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct 96 (10:17:56 +0000), allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu wrote: >EPS import would certainly help here, as it seems to be an often-used >format for graphics in QXP. What does QXP do when outputting such >images to a non-PS printer, BTW - does it just print the tiff preview? > Yes. And pretty naff it can look too. The QXP I've used (sorry no version number available here) simply passes PS to PS printers. Non-PS printers get the TIFF (or whatever). -- Robert Chrismas - chrismas@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:41 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26667 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:40 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995897:29198:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:51:37 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa28197; 22 Oct 96 15:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: Mike Williams Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:50 +0000 Organization: Akalat Publishing Subject: Re: Termite interferes with Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090550.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:00:31 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Peter Bond wrote: > As in the subject, Termite interferes with Ovation Pro. After Termite > has started downloading news and/or mail Ctrl characters no longer work > in Ovation Pro. I have to confirm that Ctrl characters have never worked for me in Ovation Pro. Beebug thought this might be due to my having an early test version. I now have 2.36 and the same effect still maifest itself. However, I do use Termite regularly. Next time I reboot my system I will check if this is the possible cuprit. If it is a module can someone tell me which, and what to do with it. Mike Williams Acorn Publisher From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:44 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26668 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995907:29180:4; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:51:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa28917; 22 Oct 96 15:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: Anthony R J Brion Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:04:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: !TransFSI filter To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090417.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:37:41 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have tried to use the !TransFSI filter to convert a BMP (&69C) that is stored inside an ArcFS archive. You get the follwing error message after dragging the file to an OPRO document window:- File xxxxxx could not be translated. I have also tried this for a TIFF (&FF0) with the same warning. Dragging these files directly to !ChangeFSI results in the graphic being displayed without error. Also moving the file out of the archive before dragging to OPRO also works ok. I thing !TransFSI is having problems with ArcFS (version 2.56) A test with SparkFS (version 1.28) has just produced the same results as ArcFS, so I now conclude the problem is more to do with ImageFS files. -- Email Home: ants@starfleet.demon.co.uk .------------------------. Email Work: anthony.brion@emimusic.com | Live long and prosper. | Web: http://www.starfleet.demon.co.uk/ '------------------------' From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:47 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26669 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:45 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995985:00575:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:53:05 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa29197; 22 Oct 96 15:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj18628; 22 Oct 96 15:46 BST From: Fred Bambrough Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:13 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Run-around graphic glitch To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090513.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:35:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:04 +0000, Matthew Hambley wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with the run-around graphic aption going a > little mad? Or do I just use "worst case" graphis frequently? > > When I told the system to run around a bit map I had imported I got several > blank lines around it where I presume the run around code wasn't working > quite right. Yes, this was also a problem with the first release. If you select the graphic and Path Edit Mode, you can see that the control points can end up in some very strange places causing odd distortions completely unrelated to the graphic. A good example of this can be set up using the windmill file supplied with Ovation. Another related problem is the way text gets split around these graphics, without regard for word boundaries. I did report this, I think, for the last release. -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26670 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:48 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995989:00622:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:53:09 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa29333; 22 Oct 96 15:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Rob Ives Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:06:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Run-around graphic glitch To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090637.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:29:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct, Matthew Hambley wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with the run-around graphic aption going a > little mad? Or do I just use "worst case" graphis frequently? > > When I told the system to run around a bit map I had imported I got several > blank lines around it where I presume the run around code wasn't working > quite right. > > (\/)atthew > I had this problem but version 1.36 seems to have ironed it out It's caused by the curve used to flow the text doubling back on itself If you edit the curve - perhaps remove a couple of control points the text flows normally. Hope this helps - Rob -- ___ __ ____ | / _ \___ / / / _/ _____ ___ | robives@enterprise.net / , _/ _ \/ _ \ _/ /| |/ / -_|_-< | /_/|_|\___/_.__/ /___/|___/\__/___/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26671 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:51 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845995996:00628:2; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:53:16 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa29935; 22 Oct 96 15:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac18628; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:05:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090522.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 17:28:23 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct, Peter Bond wrote: > "S. W. Tengelsen" wrote: > > > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) > > It would certainly be very nice if it could be thus developed: if 'very > nice' is a bit faint it's because my *main* use is as a word-processor, and > all those wishes probably reflect the majority of users. Most unfortunate! This is the attitude which bugs me no end. Look: Techwriter. Easywriter. Impression Style. These are three beautiful WPs available for your RISC OS desktop *now*. Why on earth demand a fourth, when the emerging mid/high- end RISC OS desktop design- market *screams* for a capable RISC OS layout- program? Why why why why?! Have you no sense of survival? Don't you realise that in order for Acorn-land to run well in the long run, the RISC OS software gamut has to span as widely as possible? Think, man! > The other problem for those of us who use what we regard as 'advanced > features' not-too-often is that if the package is developed so far then > its price will have to go up substantially and we won't be able to afford it > - and neither will Beebug! If you want professional features you'll have to pay for them. Ovation Pro is stunningly cheap for what it will do when it gets the imagesetting functions in place - I feel bad about having taken advantage of the dirt-cheap upgrade from (R)I.P. I expext to pay for the extras like radial/linear colour-fill for frames (with transparency!!!), EPS import/ export and other applets which is/will be written. I repeat; if it's WP functions you want, why on Earth not get an already existing WP? > Now, if there were more professional users . . . When we get a professional layout-program maybe some professionals will start to use it? -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 67 22 21 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:57 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26672 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996000:00628:3; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:53:20 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa00374; 22 Oct 96 15:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:40:42 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Keyboard input emulation and hyphenation problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.154042.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:50:33 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961022.090339.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > 2. However, I have a major gripe: You take keyboard input by > scanning the keyboard rather than by taking characters out of the > input stream don't you? er David? > 3. Automatic hyphenation doesn't seem to work fully. The actual hyphen > is missing. The space for it is there and if you move the caret to > the beginning of the line after the hyphen break and insert a - > then it appears and is aligned as you would expect. Just tried this and it seems OK to me, not had any other reported problems. > 4. We need import filters - RTF, Style/Publisher for a start. Well we have RTF and DDF currently, did you mean export? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:10:59 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26673 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:10:58 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996083:01602:4; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:54:43 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01347; 22 Oct 96 15:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:40:52 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Help - modules? & Printing. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.154052.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:53:17 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961022.090348.97@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi All, > Just StrongArmed computer and OvnPro. > On loading error window informs me that I need > ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. Where, & what other modules > might I need. You only need this if you want to render ArtWorks files. You will find the modules you need in the AWViewer app in the Diversions directory. If you don't want to use AW files disable or remove the !OArtWorks applet in the !OvnPro.Applets directory. > I also have a Canon BJC600 (Printers 1.54) but when I > cancel print it ignores this and continues, using alt > cancels printing but on subsequent attempts printer > spews garbage. Did this happen before you had your StrongArm? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:11:02 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26674 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:11:01 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996173:02913:0; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:56:13 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01745; 22 Oct 96 15:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id at18628; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST From: Alan J Jones Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:06:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090627.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:18:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) Compatability is a great thing, one which we in the Acorn World have taken for grated. To be able to transfer from/to these "Industry Standard" packages would be very advantagous and seek to put OPro further ahead. > > Well I think that "upgrading" Ovatin Pro to MSWord 666 would in fact be a > downgrade. OP is a DTP package. It is not designed to have all the features > of a word processor because it isn't one! You don't need to UpGrade or DownGrade OPro to anything, if we have the ability to read/write to these packages then that's all we need. The way OPro is developing, that is taking throughts and ideas such as those listed in this mailing list. How aften do you see a company and it's programmers taking these topics and incorporating them into their upgrades, I think it's great and they should be congratulated. Alan > > (\/)atthew > > > > > -- Products for Acorn Platforms Koala Soft E-Mail: kidsram@pnc.com.au PO Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777 AUSTRALIA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:11:04 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26675 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:11:03 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996182:02984:1; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:56:22 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02239; 22 Oct 96 15:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Mike Hobbs Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:03:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: Keyboard input emulation and hyphenation problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090339.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:01:17 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I've only just got around to seriously using OvPro but having done so I have some comments: 1. Overall I'm impressed. I like it. 2. However, I have a major gripe: You take keyboard input by scanning the keyboard rather than by taking characters out of the input stream don't you? This mucks up my use of KlikMacro (my program for injecting characters into the task with input focus that I use all the time). KlikMacro works with almost everything except OvPro and PC Card. With Ovation some things like function keys work but virtually all control and shift key codes are ignored or don't work as expected. KlikMacro uses SWI Wimp_ProcessKey, OS_Byte 153, and *ProcessKeys (from Nick Craig Wood's Director module). 3. Automatic hyphenation doesn't seem to work fully. The actual hyphen is missing. The space for it is there and if you move the caret to the beginning of the line after the hyphen break and insert a - then it appears and is aligned as you would expect. 4. We need import filters - RTF, Style/Publisher for a start. Regards, Mike From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:11:08 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26676 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:11:06 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996191:02929:3; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:56:31 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02621; 22 Oct 96 15:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Anthony R J Brion Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:04:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090436.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:41:03 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 The abbreviations applet (!Abbrev) does not remove the abbreviation before entering the full blown version ie. If you enter eg you get egfor example. The eg should have been deleted! Also the Join line applet (!Joineline) does not do as itis explained in the help file. Create two lines then place the caret anywhere on the first line, now press ^J (Join lines from the applets menu), the caret is placed before the first character on the second line? Press ^J again and the caret is place at the end of the second line. I thought the two lines were supposed to be joined with a space between them, i have placed the caret all over the place in the two lines but no join :-( then !Ligature applet suffers the same problem as !Abbrev, type fi and you get ffi (where the fi is one character) this alos happens with fl -- Email Home: ants@starfleet.demon.co.uk .------------------------. Email Work: anthony.brion@emimusic.com | Live long and prosper. | Web: http://www.starfleet.demon.co.uk/ '------------------------' From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 22 22:11:11 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26677 for david ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:11:09 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996272:04257:1; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:57:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03769; 22 Oct 96 15:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ar18628; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:04:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090427.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 17:08:48 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct, Graham Allan wrote: > "S. W. Tengelsen" wrote: [ On the importance of EPS as a crossplatfor format ] > EPS import would certainly help here, as it seems to be an often-used > format for graphics in QXP. What does QXP do when outputting such images > to a non-PS printer, BTW - does it just print the tiff preview? I believe it sends the EPS. One thing has arisen between the time I wrote the above and now, by the way: seems there is a problem getting narcissistic Mac-software to display previews of EPSes from other platforms. I encountered some information in the Sibelius 7 manual (useful number, that) which told about this. It has to do with the Macs schizo files, which are split in two: resource- and dataforks. Unless there is a res.-fork saying "I'm made in a Mac program" all you get to see is a seemingly empty frame. It all boils down to that if we're to enjoy excanging EPSes with Macs, someone has to write a util which can make the EPS from a PS-file or such, dissect it, extract the res. info and tweak it so that the Mac program "sees" an EPS coming from another Mac program. Hey, Dr. Anwar... ImageFS3? :) > > When Acorn/ > >Xemplar/ANT get the issue of connecting Acorn-networks straight to > >Mac-networks sorted out, we'll be home and dry. :) > > Omniclient 2 should fix this, shouldn't it? Isn't OC a rather expensive package? [ OP feature priorities ] > It seems more like Xpress than Word to me at present (though I have only > dabbled with either of the above). What WP-like wishes were you thinking > of - tables, etc?. Yes. Stuff which Techwriter does *now*. -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 67 22 21 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 00:18:17 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26687 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 00:18:15 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996274:04182:3; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:57:54 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03869; 22 Oct 96 15:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id as18628; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:04:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Images v Words To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090454.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 17:34:48 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct, David Thompson wrote: [ Sounding the waters ] > I thought O Pro was marketed as a DTP package, not an art package. And right you were - although you'll be amazed at what can be done with lines in O.P. in a little while. ;) > For my needs, good text manipulation features are essential - supported by > artwork facilities. Well and good. > This means the inclusion of such things as sexed quotes, tables, auto para > numbering and the like. > > My documents are of a technical content, reproduction quantities rarely > exceed 50, and colour requirements are usually restricted to Clients' logos > and technical diagrams. Heard about Techwriter? I ranted about this in another article on this list. Digest: We, RISC OS Users, *Swim* in WPs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Quality and ease of use are important. > > Whilst I abhor the "education" label that is associated with Acorn products, > in this instance I imagine that the needs of that major sector of Acorn > users are not dissimilar to my own. Why abhore the edu-label then? > Let's concentrate on the needs of the majority and sort out the missing text > features first. Sort out the needs of the majority whose needs are already covered? Flying fish. Get your priorities right. -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 67 22 21 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 00:18:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26688 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 00:18:19 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996359:05156:2; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:59:19 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04767; 22 Oct 96 15:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ap18628; 22 Oct 96 15:47 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:06:18 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: re this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090618.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 23:14:42 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Oct 96 (10:16:42 +0000), ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk wrote: >Peter Bond wrote: >I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to >tell at first glance what posting are from where. >The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top >to say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do >the same, please? >I respond: >I also get mail from two lists which (I assume use the same software >and) show "maillist" as the sender. Acorn Cybervillage Announcement is >always the subject line so you know where that has come from. >A different list I receive reports its sender as "owner-PAGEMAKR", so >you know which list it is from. Also such from identification means I >can easily group messages from the same source by sorting on the >sender's name. >I suggest that we would find it useful if Ian could change the sender's >name to OvnPro-list, or some such. I really hate to do this but ... I agree :-) Keith -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ============================================================================ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 00:18:24 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26689 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 00:18:23 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845996362:05230:2; Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:59:22 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04838; 22 Oct 96 15:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aq18628; 22 Oct 96 15:48 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:04:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961022.090408.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:53:32 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 21 Oct, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) > > Well I think that "upgrading" Ovatin Pro to MSWord 666 would in fact be a > downgrade. OP is a DTP package. It is not designed to have all the features > of a word processor because it isn't one! Ah, such statements warm my heart... ;) Seriously, though: It's not out of the way for a layout-program to have certain WP features - that extends the "range" of the package, which is *good*. It's far worse when fundamental layout-functions get sacrifices seemingly to make way for "typical" WP functions. The Impression-family is a case in point; being developed as "Document processors" they ended up as neither fish nor fowl. All IMHO of course. That's why I stress the importance of getting a rock steady layout-foundation in *first*, before the (really very usefull) WP-stuff is added (footnotes, wordcount, whatnot). If it is a Quark/Pagemaker/Uniquorn-squasher one wants. -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 67 22 21 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:50:44 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26718 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:43 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846067883:22293:1; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:51:23 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa21939; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad20753; 23 Oct 96 11:49 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:12 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084712.56@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:01:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, please? 'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that either. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:50:46 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26719 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846067891:22270:4; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:51:31 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa22061; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: John Cartmell Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:46:33 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OP and TableMate To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084633.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 1996 13:25:20 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Why does Ovation Pro print out text from Table Mate in the wrong colour ? The cell borders print OK but the text is the opposite to that expected - ie to get black text you need to set white text. The text looks as expected on screen and in Draw but the effect is there even if it has been loaded into !Draw and re-exported. I thought at first that the text wasn't printing at all but I had use a pale background colour in TableMate and noticed some gaps in the shading which turned out to be the words in white. Explanations ? Cures ? John Cartmell From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:50:48 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26720 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:48 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846067891:22301:3; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:51:31 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa22064; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Active Date formatting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084730.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 19:27:24 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R One of the problems in the early release version concerning the Active Date facility is still there in version 2.36. I have used the Active Date on several document templates and it works fine until the number of characters changes in the date. They are right justified in their own frames and when the number of characters increases, the date spills out of the frame, to the right. When the number decreases, there is a gap to the right inside the frame. Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:50:51 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26721 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846067964:23581:0; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:52:44 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa22302; 23 Oct 96 11:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae20753; 23 Oct 96 11:49 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:59 +0000 Organization: home Subject: A new drawing program To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084759.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:19:37 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R During the interregnum while a SA version of ArtWorks is awaited I needed a sketch of a garden-table top that I am re-making - Ovation Pro did it splendidly. Much easier than Draw because I had to enter exact dimensions. I did say that I needed more than just a word-processor! -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire ... Answers on a postcard please to 10 Downing Street, London SW1. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:50:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26723 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:53 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846067974:23588:1; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:52:54 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa22894; 23 Oct 96 11:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: Graham Allan Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:46:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084623.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:33:46 -0500 (CDT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Robert Chrismas wrote: >On Mon 21 Oct 96 (10:17:56 +0000), allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu wrote: > >>EPS import would certainly help here, as it seems to be an often-used >>format for graphics in QXP. What does QXP do when outputting such >>images to a non-PS printer, BTW - does it just print the tiff preview? >> >Yes. And pretty naff it can look too. The QXP I've used (sorry >no version number available here) simply passes PS to PS printers. >Non-PS printers get the TIFF (or whatever). That's what I guessed from using QXP on the PC card with a Deskjet. The TIFF preview is lousy but still better than nothing at all! Though passing the EPS through something like RiScript would be nicer if you really needed a high quality printout (not from a Deskjet 500, but maybe a PCL-based Laserjet!). Graham From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:50:57 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26725 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846067975:23602:3; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:52:55 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa23092; 23 Oct 96 11:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:46:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Keyboard input emulation and hyphenation problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084652.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 16:41:50 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 22 Oct 96 (15:40:42 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >> 4. We need import filters - RTF, Style/Publisher for a start. > >Well we have RTF and DDF currently, did you mean export? I for one would find an RTF exporter very useful. I (unfortunately) have to swap file back and forth between RISC OS and PCs for different clients and good RTF is the best way to do it. Export as DDF (not DDL) would also be useful for moving around on the Acorn platform. As it is it takes DDF in and gives DDL out so I can't even go via Publisher to use the CC RTF exporter. Mind you, with RTF, I wouldn't need to go near Publisher :-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:00 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26726 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068057:24887:1; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:54:17 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa23890; 23 Oct 96 11:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:21 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084721.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:45:30 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961022.090522.38@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Mon 21 Oct, Peter Bond wrote: > > "S. W. Tengelsen" wrote: > > > This is the attitude which bugs me no end. Look: Techwriter. Easywriter. > Impression Style. These are three beautiful WPs available for your RISC OS > desktop *now*. Why on earth demand a fourth, when the emerging mid/high- > end RISC OS desktop design- market *screams* for a capable RISC OS layout- > program? Why why why why?! No, no, no! I did say *main* - I *need* more than just a plain WP which is why I didn't use Style but Publisher. But I *didn't* need the extras in Pub+ so I didn't have it. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:03 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26728 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:51:02 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068058:24810:1; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:54:18 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa23767; 23 Oct 96 11:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: The Bunglerer Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:02 +0000 Organization: Toyfarm Subject: Re: Termite interferes with Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084702.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:57:02 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961022.090550.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Peter Bond wrote: > > > As in the subject, Termite interferes with Ovation Pro. After Termite > > has started downloading news and/or mail Ctrl characters no longer work > > in Ovation Pro. > > I have to confirm that Ctrl characters have never worked for me in Ovation > Pro. Beebug thought this might be due to my having an early test version. > > I now have 2.36 and the same effect still maifest itself. However, I do use > Termite regularly. Next time I reboot my system I will check if this is the > possible cuprit. If it is a module can someone tell me which, and what to > do with it. Just make sure you dont have SerialUtils module loaded. It is not needed and clashes with OPs Keyboard Scanner module. (Yes I had the same problem - thanks to M.Gillman ?? at Beebug for the solution.) -- -Bungie!! bungle@toyfarm.oaktree.co.uk // http://www.york.ac.uk/~prh6 The early worm gets the bird. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:36 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26730 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:51:31 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068059:24803:2; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:54:19 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa24167; 23 Oct 96 11:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: Mr J P Kerslake Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:46:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: new features To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084643.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 17:35:13 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R The main addition I would like to see is a mini spread sheet aplet, or a hot link to fireworks pro. I tend to need to put in tables of data. Having to import them as graphics is a pain. I frequently have to change the numbers at the last minuit. I tend to use OP as I need to include graphics in lots of by documents & reports as well as use "scientific" symbols (eg alpha, beta degres C, etc). Its also very good as a letter writer. I can use all kinds of fancy fonts, in letters to frends. Using, the same package. Makes it easey to insert quotes from buisness letters into reports. It is the only DTP I know of with both a spelling checker & a theraus. I have just upgraded to v2.36 running on a 4meg A3010 320meg HD. I now keep getting an error message "... needs ImagExtend 0.78 or newer". Does anyone know where I can get this moduel?. However, OP works fine. The only Time it crashed was when I tried to print with my printer unpluged at the maims !! And even the I lost NO data etc!! I am writing this at work on a sun. John Percy Kerslake kerslake@SEECS.bangor.ac.uk Page 01426-235878 dysliexia rules k o I am writing this at work on a sun. Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:43 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26731 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068061:24810:3; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:54:21 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa24400; 23 Oct 96 11:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:40 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Termite interferes with Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084740.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:50:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961022.090550.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have to confirm that Ctrl characters have never worked for me in Ovation > Pro. Beebug thought this might be due to my having an early test version. > > I now have 2.36 and the same effect still maifest itself. However, I do use > Termite regularly. Next time I reboot my system I will check if this is the > possible cuprit. If it is a module can someone tell me which, and what to > do with it. Look in the !Termite directory for the file !PreRun - in it, twice, is a line starting "RMEnsure SerialUtils 0.02" - comment them out! And then try to remember to do it again when there's a new version - like I didn't. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26732 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:51:46 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068062:24834:4; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:54:22 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa24531; 23 Oct 96 11:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am20753; 23 Oct 96 11:50 BST From: William Kerr Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:48:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Help - modules? & Printing. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084817.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 01:37:04 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 22 Oct, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19961022.090348.97@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I also have a Canon BJC600 (Printers 1.54) but when I > > cancel print it ignores this and continues, using alt > > cancels printing but on subsequent attempts printer > > > spews garbage. > > Did this happen before you had your StrongArm? > No the only problem I had before was when I forgot to switch (manual data) to computer chosen printer. I should have pointed out that trying to cause this crash deliberately fails. I am trying to find another cable to try direct Canon - RiscPC. Also just realised it may have been old Ovation files converted to new. I'm afraid my brain's turning to mush trying to keep up with the new stuff & upgrades :] Thanks for quick response. -- Bill on the Hill. mailto:bkerr@burnton.demon.co.uk http://www.burnton.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:55 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26733 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:51:51 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068142:26212:0; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:55:42 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25211; 23 Oct 96 11:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ap20753; 23 Oct 96 11:51 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:48:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084808.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 22:47:37 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 William Kerr; >Just StrongArmed computer and OvnPro. >On loading error window informs me that I need >ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. Where, & what other modules >might I need. This error comes from the Artworks applet. The SA install procedure sticks your !CCshared directory from !System in $.InactivRes - putting it back will probably fix things. Mike Williams; > SerialUtils... If it is a module can someone tell me which, and what to > do with it. How can I put this. There is a module called SerialUtils, it was written by Acorn as a quick and dirty fix to allow RISC OS 2 comms programs to work on RISC OS 3. The problem was that these old programs extended the serial buffers in a way whch RISC OS 3 did not allow. So Acorn fixed mattters, their module prevents anything from touching the buffer vectors. Alas not only does this stop you touching the serial buffers, but also the keyboard vectors. And OPro does all it's fancy keypresses by intercepting the keyboard buffer vectors. Personally I don't see why Termite is loading this module. I don't think it does one scrap of good, and it will probably upset programs other than OPro. Mike Hobbs; > 2. However, I have a major gripe: You take keyboard input by > scanning the keyboard rather than by taking characters out of the > input stream don't you? No I don't. Because we differentiate between say Return and Ctrl M or Ctrl H and Backspace, these keys have to be made to return different code values. You could stuff the correct codes into the keyboard buffer if you wanted to. Anthony R J Brion; >The abbreviations applet (!Abbrev) does not remove the abbreviation before >entering the full blown version ie. In general it does work. There must be some sort of catch in the way you have things set up. Err I know, it's if you have 'PC style delete' set from choices. Oops... David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 23 15:51:59 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26734 for david ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 15:51:56 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846068142:26120:1; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:55:42 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25006; 23 Oct 96 11:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ao20753; 23 Oct 96 11:51 BST From: Alan J Jones Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Acorn Publisher To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961023.084749.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:11:23 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 22 Oct, Mike Williams wrote: > I edit and publish Acorn Publisher, the magazine for all dtp users. > > We are planning a regular series of articles relating to Ovation Pro. > Anyone who would like to contribute to these pages please email me at > akalat@kbnet.co.uk. See me at Acorn World. > > The purpose will be largely to encourage full use of all Ovation Pro's > features, including srcipts and applets. I hope we can support Ovation Pro > in this way and encourage more Acorn users to give it a try. Bloody great idea Mike. I distribute Beebug products out here and would welcome any help I can get. The feeling about OPro to date, is that it is great and can only go further, especially with the ability to drop in Applets. As an aside, since OPro adn it's applets came on the scene, there are a few more of the same appearing for Artworks. Cheers Alan > > Mike Williams > Acorn Publisher > > > > -- Products for Acorn Platforms Koala Soft E-Mail: kidsram@pnc.com.au PO Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777 AUSTRALIA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:18 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26816 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157010:16434:2; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:36:50 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa15967; 24 Oct 96 12:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae09415; 24 Oct 96 12:34 BST From: Jeremy Cocks Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:32:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: signoff ovationp-l To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113212.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:05:15 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 -- Signature - Jeremy Cocks 125 Oxford Street Ashhurst New Zealand, e-mail foxncox@manawatu.gen.nz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:20 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26817 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:19 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157011:16390:3; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:36:51 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16067; 24 Oct 96 12:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af09415; 24 Oct 96 12:35 BST From: John Ferguson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:33:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Missing disc? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113320.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:42:32 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I see that the ReadMe file with the OPro 2.36 upgrade also mentions disc 5, but I only received discs 1 and 2. Am I a disc short? -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:22 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26818 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157011:16418:3; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:36:51 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16125; 24 Oct 96 12:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09415; 24 Oct 96 12:35 BST From: Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:31:52 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Your subscription to: ovationp-l To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Reply-To: root@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113152.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 You are now subscribed to the mailing-list 'ovationp-l'. *** Please note the following: If you want to send mail to the recipients of this list you should send this to 'ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk' Requests to the MailList Robot should be sent to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the request in the Subject: field. The rest of the message ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ will be ignored To unsubscribe from the list send the request 'SIGNOFF ovationp-l' to maillist@risc.demon.co.uk The OVATIONP-L mailing list allows users of Beebug's Ovation Pro package to discuss the application and receive advice and support on its use. The list is not moderated by Beebug, but we reserve the right to exclude users who persistently post articles that are off-topic or contain encoded binary files. -- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:24 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26819 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:23 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157012:16513:0; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:36:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16178; 24 Oct 96 12:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag09415; 24 Oct 96 12:35 BST From: Chris Chorley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:32:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: LJ4 Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113232.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:58:40 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 When printing to a Laserjet 4 using 1.28c !printers and using pamphlet printing the left (or right) edge of the print is sometimes missing. This can be on page numbers (in the centre of the page) or all down the left or right of a page. Ovation (not pro) didn't do this. Any ideas anyone ? Chris Chorley. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26820 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157093:17419:0; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:38:13 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16593; 24 Oct 96 12:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab09415; 24 Oct 96 12:35 BST From: Mike Hobbs Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:32:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Keyboard input emulation and hyphenation problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113221.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 12:58:47 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > > 3. Automatic hyphenation doesn't seem to work fully. The actual hyphen > > is missing. The space for it is there and if you move the caret to > > the beginning of the line after the hyphen break and insert a - > > then it appears and is aligned as you would expect. > > Just tried this and it seems OK to me, not had any other reported > problems. I wonder if it was because the document was converted from Ovation rather than entered directly in OP? Mike H From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:28 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26821 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157109:17526:1; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:38:29 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17209; 24 Oct 96 12:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad09415; 24 Oct 96 12:35 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:32:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113241.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 14:02:44 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 23 Oct 96 (08:47:12 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: >This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, please? >'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that >either. In the main menu, below Misc. Assuming you have copied the Smart Quotes applet into the Applets directory, Smart Quotes has a submenu to give plain single and double quotes. These are also available on CS_1 and CS_2 and are there whether or not you have Smart Quotes selected. Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:30 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26822 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:29 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157188:18535:2; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:39:48 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17670; 24 Oct 96 12:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac09415; 24 Oct 96 12:35 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:33:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113301.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 19:02:38 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Peter Bond; > This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, please? > 'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that either. The applets menu is accesed from off the bottom of the main menu. However it only appears when some applets are actually enabled. Open up !OvnPro.Applets and enable some applets by double clicking on them. Ray Dawson; > One of the problems in the early release version concerning the Active Date > facility is still there in version 2.36. I have a little list, not one of them will be missed... David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:32 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26823 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:31 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157195:18537:3; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:39:55 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18110; 24 Oct 96 12:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak09415; 24 Oct 96 12:36 BST From: Mr S Pampling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:33:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113311.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 08:27:17 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 22 Oct 96 (09:06:08 +0000), keithp@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Mon 21 Oct 96 (10:18:14 +0000), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: >>I see no real reason to compete with only one of the two. Build the >>decent features of either or both into the FULL install and you can >>pick and choose which parts you install as per the current selective >>install set up. >May I be most respectful here and state that if OvationPro was to pick >and choose the 'best parts' of Squark and Word then OvationPro would be >in great danger of failing between a rock and a hard place. Not what I meant, or what I appear to have typed. To be a little more specific, if we are fair (difficult I know when we talk about PeeCee s/w) there ARE features in the various M$ apps and your 'target' Quarkvaguelyfast. If those features are included on the install discs then the users can choose to install them or not along the same lines as the Junior version, or the partial install both listed in the manual. Or do you think I'm advocating code bloat and feature-itis here? >If OvationPro has to 'emulate' any product then, IMHO, that product >should be Squark as OvationPro is a DTP package not a word processor. I can't really speak about that, the 'best' anyone in the hospitals and health establishments of Coventry has is Pagemucker, and if we picked the best feature(s) there, OvPro would have a new box. >As it happens, even as it stands it is so far ahead of Squark in the WP >stakes that we only need to look at the layout tools, etc. As for Word >- forget it ;-) Ah now think on this: Wurd, like Expel and I think also Acce$$, has a configurable toolbar where elements can be dragged around and reshaped. Now whats one of the most criticised features of OP and IP? Word may be 'crap' to quote a PC using colleage but it is glitzy and the fact is many users fall for glitz rather than real working features. So if they get glitz AND real working features? Note: I have been using IP for the newsletter I edit, the lack of automatic drop caps, which Wurd and Pagemucker have, has driven me to interesting tweaks with DDF scripts and special styles. I have OP now but I can't use it yet because the drop cap feature isn't working properly. Hopefully within a week or two the upgrade will be with me and give me the ability to walk into work with the RPC base unit and shut a few PC mad critics up. Decent DTP in a fast,friendly environment. If I'm in a good mood I'll tell them about the StrongArm in it. >Keith (trying to be repectful) Never known you be anything else. Steve -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventy Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 24 13:49:34 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26824 for david ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846157195:18532:2; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:39:55 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18111; 24 Oct 96 12:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj09415; 24 Oct 96 12:36 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:32:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OP and TableMate To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961024.113251.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 18:49:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 John Cartmell; > Why does Ovation Pro print out text from Table Mate in the wrong > colour ? Ah well... RISC OS 3.70 - as with the Strong ARM, supports aliasing of text on non solid background colours. So if you have RISC OS 3.70 we enable that feature. Problem seems to be that the Acorn printer drivers, don't realise that they should not do this. If you have, say CC Laser direct, or don't have 3.70, then none of this matters. Otherwise, these are the solutions. (1) The official fix. Load !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom into Edit. Remove these two lines; fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); Resave and rerun OPro. (2) The high risk fix. Put the following file in !OvnPro.Library (type B24) --------------------------------------8<--------------------------------------- //->!Customfix void customprintfix(int fontbits, int file) { fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); } void main(void) { string s; int fontbits; int EVENT_PRSTART = 0x10c; int EVENT_PREND = 0x10d; s="RMEnsure FontManager 3.35 Error 0"; fontbits=(osclis(s)==0); fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); addeventhandler(EVENT_PRSTART, 0, "customprintfix"); addeventhandler(EVENT_PREND, fontbits, "customprintfix"); } ---------------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ (1) switches off the feature permanently. (2) merely disables it whilst printing is going on. You might get some untidy redraws on screen during printing, but not too bad in general. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 15:02:55 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26907 for david ; Fri, 25 Oct 96 15:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846231018:27256:2; Fri, 25 Oct 96 09:10:18 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27075; 25 Oct 96 9:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af05554; 25 Oct 96 9:08 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:08:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Changing key functions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961025.090812.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 19:04:31 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I have changed a few key functions and have come up with an oddity. I've swapped C_A and CS_A via the menu - no problems, select all and remove all styles and effects have swapped over correctly. I also swapped CS_S and C_S, doing the latter via the menu so that CS_S now spellchecks. I had to put swap case onto C_S by a keystroke in macros - {'CS_S}. At first it all seems to work fine and C_S swaps the case of the letter at the cursor. The problem comes when I select a block of text by doing C_A. If I now do C_S to swap case it does a spell check, but so does CS_S! Deselecting the text and making a change restores it to C_S swapping case. Anyone got any ideas why this happens? I thought I had got the key functions gripped :-( Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 15:02:58 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26908 for david ; Fri, 25 Oct 96 15:02:57 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846231093:28381:1; Fri, 25 Oct 96 09:11:33 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27666; 25 Oct 96 9:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag05554; 25 Oct 96 9:08 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:08:22 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961025.090822.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:37:43 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961024.113301.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > > > Peter Bond; > > > This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, please? > > 'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that either. > > > The applets menu is accesed from off the bottom of the main menu. However > it only appears when some applets are actually enabled. Open up !OvnPro.Applets > and enable some applets by double clicking on them. > I thought some applets were enabled - eg Stationery (please, 'e' not 'a'!) because this appears in the iconbar menu (and very useful it is too). Ok, so I clicked on !Abbrev and it grew a '-' meaning turned off? Quit OvPro and restarted - still no Applets. Oh yes, and I have been using smart quotes ever since 2.36 arrived - invaluable to say the least. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 25 15:03:01 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26909 for david ; Fri, 25 Oct 96 15:02:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846231093:28387:1; Fri, 25 Oct 96 09:11:33 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27751; 25 Oct 96 9:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae05554; 25 Oct 96 9:08 BST From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:08:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961025.090832.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:47:01 -0400 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 24 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, please? > > 'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that either. > The applets menu is accesed from off the bottom of the main menu. However > it only appears when some applets are actually enabled. Open up > !OvnPro.Applets and enable some applets by double clicking on them. Still can't find these menus. (2.36 on RPC w/ 3.7/SA) -- +1-609-275-1193 .... in tests, 8 out of 10 owners said their cats preferred Moggy-Chunks (the other 2 said they preferred it) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:42:18 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27128 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:42:13 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846577791:25827:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:29:51 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25583; 29 Oct 96 8:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae21583; 29 Oct 96 8:28 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Changing key functions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082430.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 17:07:48 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > I also swapped CS_S and C_S, doing the latter via the menu so that CS_S now > spellchecks. I think that leaves 2 keys with the same key press, and hence ambigious results. Perhaps if you change both key presses by using macros. {'CS_S} etc. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:42:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27129 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:42:22 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846577940:27689:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:32:20 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27390; 29 Oct 96 8:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an21583; 29 Oct 96 8:31 GMT From: Fred Bambrough Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:03 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Re: LJ4 Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082403.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:41:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:32:32 +0000, Chris Chorley wrote: > When printing to a Laserjet 4 using 1.28c !printers and using pamphlet > printing the left (or right) edge of the print is sometimes missing. This > can be on page numbers (in the centre of the page) or all down the left or > right of a page. Ovation (not pro) didn't do this. > > Any ideas anyone ? From the Print dialogue box click Print Setup then Fit? -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:42:37 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27130 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:42:32 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846577963:27922:2; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:32:43 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27702; 29 Oct 96 8:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ao21583; 29 Oct 96 8:31 GMT From: "A.E.Lacey" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082420.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 19:05:44 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Having received OP 2.36, I notice that the accompanying letter talks of the next upgrade having support for PCA. What is PCA? I have seen it mentioned somewhere else in connection with an upgrade. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / Ted Lacey - ZFC G+ Secretary of Southampton / Acorn User Group RiscPC600 50 Mb RAM with / 410Mb IDE and 1Gb SCSI Hard Drives and PC586 _________________________/ card 133Mhz - tedell@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:42:46 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27131 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:42:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846577999:28423:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:33:19 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa28197; 29 Oct 96 8:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac21583; 29 Oct 96 8:31 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: OP, ArcFax and Draw files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082456.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 13:26:08 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 This seems to be one for David Pilling. If an Ovation Pro document containing a drawfile which includes text not converted to a path, that text does not appear when printed to ArcFax. It only prints text which has been converted. Dropping the same document into Publisher, it prints fine to ArcFax. The same document prints to LaserDirect and my Epson Stylus perfectly from OP. Cheers, Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:43:00 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27132 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:42:51 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578046:29055:2; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:34:06 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa28635; 29 Oct 96 8:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aq21583; 29 Oct 96 8:32 GMT From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:23:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082345.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 12:47:48 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Excuse me but I'm thick :-) I dropped all the extensions (all 20 of them) into the Applets directory inside OvationPro and none of them have the '-' after the name but I can't access them. I just dropped them in, after dearchiving them and I note that apart from OArtWrks, OCharges and Ovation1 none of them have an icon, just the old Arch Application symbol. Ray Dawson says they should appear on the Main Menu after Misc but not on mine! I'm using 2.36 on a SA/3.7 RiscPC Help! Thanks Keith -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ============================================================================ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:43:11 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27133 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578073:29449:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:34:33 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa29039; 29 Oct 96 8:34 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ap21583; 29 Oct 96 8:32 GMT From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:23:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082336.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 12:44:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Excuse me but I'm thick :-) I dropped all the extensions (all 20 of them) into the Applets directory inside OvationPro and none of them have the '-' after the name but I can't access them. Apart from OArtWrks, OCharges and Ovation1 none of them have an icon, just the old Arch Application symbol. Ray Dawson says they should appear on the Main Menu after Misc but not on mine! Help! Thanks Keith -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ============================================================================ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:43:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27134 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:43:16 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578082:29586:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:34:42 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa29450; 29 Oct 96 8:34 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ar21583; 29 Oct 96 8:32 GMT From: Dr A G Gray Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:23:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082354.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 13:39:43 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 25 Oct 96 (09:08:22 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: .... about the missing Applets menu: >I thought some applets were enabled - eg Stationery (please, 'e' not >'a'!) because this appears in the iconbar menu (and very useful it is >too). Ok, so I clicked on !Abbrev and it grew a '-' meaning turned off? Quit >OvPro and restarted - still no Applets. Make sure there are none of the old Scripts still around. I found I had to remove the ones from the previous version before the applets would be recognised and the menu appear... Cheers, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328 5BWAZ=199/200) Acorn RiscPC600 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:43:31 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27135 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:43:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578129:00518:5; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:35:29 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa00228; 29 Oct 96 8:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id as21583; 29 Oct 96 8:33 GMT From: Mr S Pampling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082439.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 18:24:36 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 25 Oct 96 (09:08:22 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: >I thought some applets were enabled - eg Stationery (please, 'e' not >'a'!) because this appears in the iconbar menu (and very useful it is >too). Ok, so >I clicked on !Abbrev and it grew a '-' meaning turned off? Quit OvPro >and restarted - still no Applets. Oh yes, and I have been using smart >quotes >ever since 2.36 arrived - invaluable to say the least. And there was me thinking that I was going blind, or something. Thank you. For whatever reason the applets menu just DOES NOT APPEAR. Now I naturally assumed that St Pilling was infallible and that the default of installing everything would give me.. well everything. What happened? -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventy Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:43:42 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27136 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:43:37 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578158:00948:2; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:35:58 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa00783; 29 Oct 96 8:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id av21583; 29 Oct 96 8:33 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082411.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 14:26:17 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 25 Oct 96 (09:08:22 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19961024.113301.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >> >> >> >> Peter Bond; >> >> > This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, >please? >> > 'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that >either. >> >> >> The applets menu is accesed from off the bottom of the main menu. >However >> it only appears when some applets are actually enabled. Open up >!OvnPro.Applets >> and enable some applets by double clicking on them. >> > >I thought some applets were enabled - eg Stationery (please, 'e' not >'a'!) because this appears in the iconbar menu (and very useful it is >too). Ok, so >I clicked on !Abbrev and it grew a '-' meaning turned off? Quit OvPro >and restarted - still no Applets. Oh yes, and I have been using smart >quotes >ever since 2.36 arrived - invaluable to say the least. Peter, if you haven't got any Applets, how come you are using smart quotes - that should be on the Applets sub-menu? Do you have the Applets menu item below Misc? To change Stationary to Stationery :-) the following changes are required: 1. !Statnry.Stationary directory name to Stationery 2. !Statnry.AResources.Messages - change reference to Stationary to Stationery 3. !Statnry.Library.Statnry - line 5 change Stationary to Stationery Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:43:51 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27137 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:43:47 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578211:01715:19; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:36:51 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01517; 29 Oct 96 8:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id at21583; 29 Oct 96 8:33 GMT From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:23:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: re this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082326.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 10:43:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R My comments below are headed "I respond". To Fred's comment I have to say No. I am using MSMail on a PC at work at present (for web access I have Netscape) - maybe I'll eventually get linked from home. ---------- From: maillist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: RE: re this list Date: 22 October 1996 09:04 On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:42 +0000, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > Peter Bond wrote: > > I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell > at first glance what posting are from where. > > The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to > say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the > same, please? > > === > > I respond: > > I also get mail from two lists which (I assume use the same software and) > show "maillist" as the sender. Acorn Cybervillage Announcement is always the > subject line so you know where that has come from. > > A different list I receive reports its sender as "owner-PAGEMAKR", so you > know which list it is from. Also such from identification means I can easily > group messages from the same source by sorting on the sender's name. > > I suggest that we would find it useful if Ian could change the sender's name > to OvnPro-list, or some such. But you're using TTFN and, at a guess, Newsbase. -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:44:00 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27138 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846578257:02326:1; Tue, 29 Oct 96 08:37:37 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02138; 29 Oct 96 8:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id au21583; 29 Oct 96 8:33 GMT From: Colin Beswick Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:24:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961029.082447.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 08:51:45 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 25 Oct 96 (09:08:32 +0000), dsmcf@sc3d.demon.co.uk wrote: >On Thu 24 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >> > This is referred to in several places in 2.36 - where is it, >please? >> > 'Smart quotes' says it has a sub-menu, of course, can't see that >either. >> The applets menu is accesed from off the bottom of the main menu. >However >> it only appears when some applets are actually enabled. Open up >> !OvnPro.Applets and enable some applets by double clicking on them. > >Still can't find these menus. (2.36 on RPC w/ 3.7/SA) > I think I may have had a similar problem when upgrading to 2.36 but solved it so quickly on realising my mistake I'm mot too sure. I think!!!! - If the old Script files were not deleted before running the new version it clashed with the applets and they did not show at the foot of the menu list. Hope this may be of help. Colin Beswick -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cbeswick@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:08 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27169 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:06 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603578:11237:2; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:39:38 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa10674; 29 Oct 96 15:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac01999; 29 Oct 96 15:36 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:28:33 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Missing disc? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.132833.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:12:53 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961024.113320.60@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I see that the ReadMe file with the OPro 2.36 upgrade also mentions disc 5, > but I only received discs 1 and 2. Am I a disc short? > No we took the unfortunate step of using the same ReadMe for update and new version 2.36. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27170 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:09 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603661:12299:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:41:01 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa11300; 29 Oct 96 15:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab01999; 29 Oct 96 15:37 GMT From: John Ferguson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:28:02 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Missing disc? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.132802.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:48:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > I see that the ReadMe file with the OPro 2.36 upgrade also mentions disc 5, > but I only received discs 1 and 2. Am I a disc short? Following up my own post, would it be possible for Beebug to have the files from this disc available for download from it's web site? Also, I think it would be a good idea if we could download additional applets, filters, macros and scripts as and when they are available, rather than waiting until the next upgrade of OPro. What do others think? -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:13 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27171 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603677:12276:4; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:41:17 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa11983; 29 Oct 96 15:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag01999; 29 Oct 96 15:38 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:28:23 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Keyboard input emulation and hyphenation problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.132824.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:08:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961024.113221.65@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > 3. Automatic hyphenation doesn't seem to work fully. The actual hyphen > > > is missing. The space for it is there and if you move the caret to > > > the beginning of the line after the hyphen break and insert a - > > > then it appears and is aligned as you would expect. > > > > Just tried this and it seems OK to me, not had any other reported > > problems. > > I wonder if it was because the document was converted from Ovation > rather than entered directly in OP? Yes I can reproduce that, I'll get it added to the little list. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27172 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:15 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603684:12510:7; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:41:24 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa12445; 29 Oct 96 15:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj01999; 29 Oct 96 15:39 GMT From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:28:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: blend option on printout w/ images To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.132814.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:04:29 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I assume the blend option on printout works on backgrounds, after all that is (without checking the manual) what it's there for. It doesn't work, or at least I haven't found a way of making it work with images, however. Specifically, if you have an image that extends to the edge of the copy then it would be nice if you could bleed the colours that exist at the edge of the image. I could of course put a background in underneath the image but any one colour would singularly fail to match the image in places and doing lots of different backgrounds is a remarkably tedious concept. -- +1-609-275-1193 .... Fourth Law of Revision: It is usually impractical to worry beforehand about interferences -- if you have none, someone will make one for you. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:19 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27173 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:18 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603773:13542:1; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:42:53 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa13263; 29 Oct 96 15:42 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai01999; 29 Oct 96 15:38 GMT From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:27:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: embedding two text frames bug To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.132752.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:01:10 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available from your supplier. Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd --80-1904222667-846489671:#-1543499197 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Embedding two text frames of equal height on the same line doesn't work, not only does 2.36 fail to render the second (rightmost) of the two properly on screeen until refreshed by dragging a menu over it, it doesn't appear at all in print. Sample file enclosed -- +1-609-275-1193 .... Double Whopper w/ cheese, extra bacon, no pickle, large meal, drink is Sprite, onion rings, apple pie and ice cream, to take away please. Now if you can understand that, why do the staff never get it right? From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:22 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27174 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603776:13563:1; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:42:56 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa13422; 29 Oct 96 15:42 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak01999; 29 Oct 96 15:39 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:28:42 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.132842.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:22:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961029.082439.06@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > And there was me thinking that I was going blind, or something. Thank you. For > whatever reason the applets menu just DOES NOT APPEAR. > Now I naturally assumed that St Pilling was infallible and that the default of > installing everything would give me.. well everything. What happened? > Firstly David has no involvement with the installation program or setup. Secondly the installation procedure will overwrite files, but not delete surplus ones. If anyone continues to have problems try installing the upgrade to a new directory (you may need to reset the paths to !OvnResDir and !Words inside !OvnPro by double-clicking on them) -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:25 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27175 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:24 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603856:14609:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:44:16 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa13610; 29 Oct 96 15:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah01999; 29 Oct 96 15:38 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:50:05 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Active Date formatting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.135005.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:30:31 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961023.084730.42@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > One of the problems in the early release version concerning the Active Date > facility is still there in version 2.36. > > I have used the Active Date on several document templates and it works fine > until the number of characters changes in the date. They are right justified > in their own frames and when the number of characters increases, the date > spills out of the frame, to the right. When the number decreases, there is a > gap to the right inside the frame. Active dates don't cause a reflow, if you force one yourself the problem should (temporarily) go away. This is on the diminutive list. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 29 16:42:30 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27176 for david ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:42:28 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846603947:15697:0; Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:45:47 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa14504; 29 Oct 96 15:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al01999; 29 Oct 96 15:39 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:50:15 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: embedding two text frames bug To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961129.135015.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:34:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961129.132752.96@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail > package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available > from your supplier. > > Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd > > --80-1904222667-846489671:#-1543499197 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 > > Embedding two text frames of equal height on the same line doesn't work, > not only does 2.36 fail to render the second (rightmost) of the two > properly on screeen until refreshed by dragging a menu over it, it doesn't > appear at all in print. > > Sample file enclosed > Please do not post binary files to the list. Sample files are great, but send them to software@beebug.co.uk or better imac@risc.demon.co.uk (InterTalk likes chewing on encoded files). Also the only way I can currently decode MIME files is to jump through hoops with ANT's package, please use uuencoding instead. Marcel will use uuencoding if you disable MIME. I've reproduced this problem from your description (quicker than using ANT) so no need to send the file again. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:15 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27211 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:13 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846677923:01034:1; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:18:43 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa00559; 30 Oct 96 12:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa24145; 30 Oct 96 12:16 GMT From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090804.70@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 03:54:06 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 29 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > Peter, if you haven't got any Applets, how come you are using smart quotes > - that should be on the Applets sub-menu? Can't speak for Peter, but I have applets running. > Do you have the Applets menu item below Misc? Just to be quite clear about this, NO! -- +1-908-297-7882 .... No wonder I feel so tired - I'm older now than I've ever been before. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:17 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27212 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846677999:01881:2; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:19:59 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01088; 30 Oct 96 12:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab24145; 30 Oct 96 12:16 GMT From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090825.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 04:12:26 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Removing all scripts does the job. I had actually already removed some of the scripts such that there were no conflicts with any of the applets I had loaded. Perhaps some scripting commands have changed? Anyway, pretty weird behaviour... -- +1-908-297-7882 .... Our necessities are few but our wants are endless... From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:20 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27213 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678000:01900:3; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:20:00 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01138; 30 Oct 96 12:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:09:05 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090905.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:49:30 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961029.082420.64@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Having received OP 2.36, I notice that the accompanying letter talks of the > next upgrade having support for PCA. What is PCA? I have seen it mentioned > somewhere else in connection with an upgrade. I cannot remember just what it's about except that it's a Clare's development and is described on their web pages: http://www.stcoll.ac.uk/clares/ -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire ... Tis but a flesh wound... From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:22 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27214 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678019:01941:10; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:20:19 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01308; 30 Oct 96 12:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac24145; 30 Oct 96 12:16 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:09:24 +0000 Organization: home Subject: RE: re this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090924.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:54:19 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961029.082326.02@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > But you're using TTFN and, at a guess, Newsbase. > > -- > Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I wasn't, but now I am and have set up a filter to do the job. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire ... The history of every country begins in the heart of a man or woman. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:25 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27215 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678026:02197:2; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:20:26 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01758; 30 Oct 96 12:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:09:15 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090915.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:52:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961029.082411.83@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Peter, if you haven't got any Applets, how come you are using smart quotes - > that should be on the Applets sub-menu? Do you have the Applets menu item > below Misc? The Applets are *there* - it's just that there is (was) no menu. So things that need no intervention - like quotes - work ok. > > To change Stationary to Stationery :-) the following changes are required: > 1. !Statnry.Stationary directory name to Stationery > 2. !Statnry.AResources.Messages - change reference to Stationary to Stationery > 3. !Statnry.Library.Statnry - line 5 change Stationary to Stationery > Thanks - I'll try again - I had tried something like this and it all vanished! -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire ... When I grow up I want to be a message. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:28 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27216 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678096:03709:0; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:21:36 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02239; 30 Oct 96 12:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:22:45 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Missing disc? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.092245.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:13:56 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961130.090944.28@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Also, I think it would be a good idea if we could download additional > > applets, filters, macros and scripts as and when they are available, rather > > than waiting until the next upgrade of OPro. What do others think? > > That certainly gets my vote. It would be realy convenient if there was a > central reposetory for applets et al. Right I've sort of done something like this, try: http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/ovprofiles.html These are just a couple of examples to test the system works. Incidentally, if anyone else has written anything they think other people might find useful I'd be happy to stick it on the site. Incidentally (2), the WWW site is still very much under construction and is likely to stay that way for sometime (until I get more time to play with HTML) hence there has been no announcement about it. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:31 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27217 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:29 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678099:03742:0; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:21:39 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02925; 30 Oct 96 12:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:09:34 +0000 Organization: home Subject: HTML To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090934.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:02:57 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Who is going to volunteer to write an HTML Applet? Ie, so that one can drag an HTML file into OvPro and have it rendered, *and editable and printable*. Along the lines of Ben Summer's tools for Imp. - but I wouldn't be bothered about *writing* HTML If the answer is 'No one' then I would *think* about it - but it would take a long time. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire ... "Bother", said Pooh, as he saw "Filecore in use." From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:34 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27218 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:32 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678186:04958:2; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:23:06 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04040; 30 Oct 96 12:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Hank van der Wijngaart Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:55 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: fiiles and non printing of text in embedded !Draw files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090855.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:00:56 +1100 (EST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In the first release of OV Pro I had two problems; 1. Whenever I dropped a draw file into OV Pro and that draw file contained text that was not converted to path, this test would not print on my HPLJIII. I was forced to use the old version of !Ovation til the first upgrade arrived. The problem no longer seems to exist. 2. With 'PC Style delete' turned on, whenever I type fi.. , i get fii... eg whne I type File or Field I get Fiile and Fiield. I saw someones reply to this about a week ago but ???. Is there a solution other than turning Off PC Style delete? Hank van der Wijngaart 'IT Support and Training' A user from down under! From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:38 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27219 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:35 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678193:05047:2; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:23:13 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04503; 30 Oct 96 12:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Matthew Hambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:09:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Missing disc? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090944.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:38:20 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R > > I see that the ReadMe file with the OPro 2.36 upgrade also mentions disc 5, > > but I only received discs 1 and 2. Am I a disc short? > > Following up my own post, would it be possible for Beebug to have the files > from this disc available for download from it's web site? > > Also, I think it would be a good idea if we could download additional > applets, filters, macros and scripts as and when they are available, rather > than waiting until the next upgrade of OPro. What do others think? That certainly gets my vote. It would be realy convenient if there was a central reposetory for applets et al. (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:41 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27220 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:40 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678224:05403:5; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:23:44 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa05171; 30 Oct 96 12:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad24145; 30 Oct 96 12:16 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:22:35 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: fiiles and non printing of text in embedded !Draw files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.092235.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:11:26 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961130.090855.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > 2. With 'PC Style delete' turned on, whenever I type fi.. , i get fii... > eg whne I type File or Field I get Fiile and Fiield. I saw someones reply to > this about a week ago but ???. Is there a solution other than turning Off PC > Style delete? Remove the ligatures applet from the !OvnPro.Applets directory. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:43 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27221 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678268:06065:1; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:24:28 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa05417; 30 Oct 96 12:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ao24145; 30 Oct 96 12:18 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:09:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090954.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:48:02 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Keith Parker, Peter Bond, et al; > Missing applets menu This is apparently due to installing the new version over the old one, and the old one containing various script files. The solutions are to either reinstall on blank disc space, or to remove the script files from the old copy. Thanks to Dr A G Gray, Colin Beswick and Peter Bond for establishing this. Ray Dawson; > If an Ovation Pro document containing a drawfile which includes text not converted > to a path, that text does not appear when printed to ArcFax. >The same document prints to LaserDirect and my Epson Stylus perfectly from OP. See my reply to John Cartmell last week - all to do with the aliasing of text on 3.70. A.E.Lacey; > Having received OP 2.36, I notice that the accompanying letter talks of the > next upgrade having support for PCA. What is PCA? I have seen it mentioned > somewhere else in connection with an upgrade. PCA is a protocol from Clares which allows programs to share objects in memory. So for example you might have a sprite in a frame in an OPro document, and edit it using Compo - without any messing about saving to disc etc. Sort of a better form of OLE. See http://www.stcoll.ac.uk/clares/demos/ for full info and demos. I had a feeling 2.36 shipped with a PCA applet. Ah well early days for this protocol either way. I believe Dave Clare is demoing PCA at the show, and has an article in the next AU about it. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:46 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27222 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:45 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678288:06290:3; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:24:48 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa06249; 30 Oct 96 12:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af24145; 30 Oct 96 12:16 GMT From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090815.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 04:16:05 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 29 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: > I note that apart from OArtWrks, OCharges and Ovation1 none of them have an > icon, just the old Arch Application symbol. I should think so too. What a waste to allocate sprite resources to each name when there's a perfectly good application icon already. It is perhaps a pity that you can't define applications as being in a class, for which class a sprite exists. But to have one each is (to me) just silly. -- +1-908-297-7882 .... "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." -- Vice President Dan Quayle From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27223 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:47 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678441:08592:1; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:27:21 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa07736; 30 Oct 96 12:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag24145; 30 Oct 96 12:16 GMT From: Goetz Kohlberg Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Can it be done To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090845.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:15:18 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Can anybody tell me if the following is possible: 1) Write a text in a frame and colour it blue. 2) Write another text in another frame and colour it yellow. 3) Now put one frame onto the other so that parts of the text overlap. Is is somehow possible that you can have a transparent effekt so that you can see both texts but the parts that overlap are coloured green (e.g. Yellow text over blue text) and that this also only appears to the overlaped parts of characters? I havn't figured out how to make a frame transparent or a colour. Goetz Kohlberg (Riscy Bits) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 30 15:06:51 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA27224 for david ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:06:50 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 846678531:10213:0; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:28:51 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa08829; 30 Oct 96 12:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an24145; 30 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 09:08:36 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961130.090836.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:57:07 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961029.082345.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Excuse me but I'm thick :-) Nonsense! (You could use slightly shorter lines, though!) > I dropped all the extensions (all 20 of them) into the Applets directory inside > OvationPro and none of them have the '-' after the name but I can't access > them. I just dropped them in, after dearchiving them and I note that apart from > OArtWrks, OCharges and Ovation1 none of them have an icon, just the old Arch > Application symbol. > > Ray Dawson says they should appear on the Main Menu after Misc but not on mine! David suggested that I could write this up, but of course, I cannot remember exactly what happened. He asked if I had a Scripts menu before - don't think so but not sure. So, I had no Applets menu but the smart quotes worked. In the end I copied most of the 'old' 2.36 to another directory and re-installed as though from scratch. I copied over from the other directory things that were missing but not scripts I think. I copied all the Extra items into Applets (this was wrong!) and tried again. At that point (AFAIR) it all worked except that on loading I got the error message 'Zap already running' - I removed ReadMe from Applets and that went. I think that's about it - but no guarantees! -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire ... I am. Therefore, I think. I think.