From root@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 7 21:41:47 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16368 for david ; Wed, 07 Oct 92 21:41:39 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844677503:11600:0; Mon, 07 Oct 96 09:38:23 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa11172; 7 Oct 96 9:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af03336; 7 Oct 96 9:37 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:25:11 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.092511.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:17:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R Unfortunately problems continue... x-files gave up the ghost last week whilst I was away on holiday so I am now using SparkFS to get around the problem. Once again this is a test message to see if this alternative works and I will be exploring other options in the mean time. Loosing x-files means that some of your messages have not been propagated to the list, but I have copies of them in my mailbox so I will re-distribute them once I am happy that this solution works. Sorry for the problems, I'm sure that I have missed something simple in getting the software to work, hopefully once I find what that is the problems will go away. -- Ian MacDougall From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:06 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16450 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:58:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761035:18439:2; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:50:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18331; 8 Oct 96 8:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab04900; 8 Oct 96 8:49 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:04:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Digest of unpropagated articles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.160437.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:50:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Here is a digest of the articles that weren't propagated on the list because of 'technical difficulties' :) I've trimmed the headers and sigs etc to cut down on the size of it, but left From: and Subject: lines. Some of you will have seen some of the articles, sorry for the duplication. From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:21 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16452 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761407:22122:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:56:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa21596; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj04900; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:57:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155713.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 00:26:31 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R Question One: I create an A5 page. I then create 4 frames for business cards. They abutt each other. I want to put crop marks in. Sorry but ... in Impression I use border 11 and select which sides have the border. There is no such frame in OPro, and I've no idea (even after reading the manual) how to create a 'border' like this! Question Two: Yesterday Tony Tolver and I were musing about selling RiscPCs (T-J are an Acorn Publishing dealer) into bureau that already have Macs (and PCs). We wondered if it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? If is was possible then it would be even better if it could show a TIFF preview! Thank you - over to our guru 'The Blessed St David Pilling' Keith Parker -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:38 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16453 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761707:25315:0; Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:01:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25048; 8 Oct 96 9:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac04900; 8 Oct 96 9:00 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:59:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155916.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 14:20:51 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R On Fri 27 Sep 96 (11:55:24 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > >If any of you have or will be getting StrongArm cards you >will notice that Ovation Pro does not work. Essentially it is the >protection scheme that fails to work under the new processor not the >application itself. Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:06 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16450 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:58:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761035:18439:2; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:50:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18331; 8 Oct 96 8:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab04900; 8 Oct 96 8:49 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:04:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Digest of unpropagated articles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.160437.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:50:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Here is a digest of the articles that weren't propagated on the list because of 'technical difficulties' :) I've trimmed the headers and sigs etc to cut down on the size of it, but left From: and Subject: lines. Some of you will have seen some of the articles, sorry for the duplication. From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:21 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16452 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761407:22122:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:56:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa21596; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj04900; 8 Oct 96 8:55 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:57:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155713.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 00:26:31 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R Question One: I create an A5 page. I then create 4 frames for business cards. They abutt each other. I want to put crop marks in. Sorry but ... in Impression I use border 11 and select which sides have the border. There is no such frame in OPro, and I've no idea (even after reading the manual) how to create a 'border' like this! Question Two: Yesterday Tony Tolver and I were musing about selling RiscPCs (T-J are an Acorn Publishing dealer) into bureau that already have Macs (and PCs). We wondered if it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? If is was possible then it would be even better if it could show a TIFF preview! Thank you - over to our guru 'The Blessed St David Pilling' Keith Parker -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From root@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 8 12:59:38 1992 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16453 for david ; Thu, 08 Oct 92 12:59:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844761707:25315:0; Tue, 08 Oct 96 09:01:47 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa25048; 8 Oct 96 9:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac04900; 8 Oct 96 9:00 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:59:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961007.155916.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 14:20:51 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS Status: R On Fri 27 Sep 96 (11:55:24 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > >If any of you have or will be getting StrongArm cards you >will notice that Ovation Pro does not work. Essentially it is the >protection scheme that fails to work under the new processor not the >application itself. Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 8 18:01:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16468 for david ; Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844788147:10300:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 16:22:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa09823; 8 Oct 96 16:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13796; 8 Oct 96 16:20 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:20:18 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961008.162018.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:15:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Largely thanks to Kevin F. Quinn, Graham Allan and David Pilling I now think I have the mailing list up and running properly. So once again I am sending this message as a test. I also seemed to have missed out the digest part of the digest message I sent (oops) so if this message seems to propagate properly I will resend that message. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 8 18:01:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16468 for david ; Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844788147:10300:1; Tue, 08 Oct 96 16:22:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa09823; 8 Oct 96 16:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13796; 8 Oct 96 16:20 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:20:18 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961008.162018.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 16:15:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Largely thanks to Kevin F. Quinn, Graham Allan and David Pilling I now think I have the mailing list up and running properly. So once again I am sending this message as a test. I also seemed to have missed out the digest part of the digest message I sent (oops) so if this message seems to propagate properly I will resend that message. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:05 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25751 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848294:17813:0; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:04:54 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17345; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085915.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:39:20 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Keith Parker writes; > I use border 11 in Impression to create crop marks Use the line drawing tools to draw yourself some crop marks. Not too bad because you've only got to do it once, and they easily snap into position. But of course not as easy as using a border. > EPS export Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25752 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848296:17750:3; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:04:56 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17375; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:58:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085843.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:30:52 -0400 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 07 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > On Fri 27 Sep 96 (11:55:24 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > > If any of you have or will be getting StrongArm cards you will notice > > that Ovation Pro does not work. Essentially it is the protection scheme > > that fails to work under the new processor not the application itself. > Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to > de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? It's fine to leave it there, it's !Boot file won't hurt you. -- +1-609-275-1193 .... Where's my 640 Mb SIMM? I want to run Excel! From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25753 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848297:17743:1; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:04:57 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17376; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: Richard Lambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085900.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:53:15 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 07 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: > Question Two: > > .... We wondered if > it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding > connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? Wouldn't it be possible to do this by some modification to the Postscript printer driver? It would be incredibly useful. A job for Acorn, perhaps. Richard -- __ _ __ L A N D / / (_) / = Richard Lambley Land Mobile magazine = __ _ ___ / / __/ /__ Redhill, Surrey / ' \/ _ \/ _ \/ / / -_) Tel. +44 1737 771877; fax +44 1737 773347 /_/_/_/\___/_.__/_/_/\__/ ** Wireless communications for business ** From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25754 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:18 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848301:17813:2; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:05:01 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17535; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae26389; 9 Oct 96 9:02 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085908.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 18:22:03 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Ray Dawson writes; >Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to >de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? You can carry on using OPro. Add a line *cache off to the !OvnPro.!Run file. Add an obey file containing *cache on to !OvnPro.Applets Thanks to John Ferguson for this tip. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:35 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25757 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:29 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848304:17750:5; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:05:04 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17547; 9 Oct 96 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af26389; 9 Oct 96 9:03 BST From: John Ferguson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:59:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085923.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:48:45 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon, 07 Oct 1996, Ray Dawson wrote: > Does this mean that when I get my SA card (hopefully next week), I have to > de-install OP first, or is it OK to leave it in place but not use it? I have OPro running on my SA card. Just edit Ovation Pro's !Run file and add: cache off just before the last line: Run ".!RunImage" %*0 then create an obey file containing: cache on and put it in the !OvnPro.Applets directory. Ovation Pro will now load OK, it will take about a minute and a half though. -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:12:47 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25759 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848371:18820:0; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:06:11 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17899; 9 Oct 96 9:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag26389; 9 Oct 96 9:03 BST From: Donald McFarlane Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:58:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of unpropagated articles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085852.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:27:00 -0400 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 07 Oct, Ian MacDougall wrote: > Here is a digest of the articles that weren't propagated on the > list because of 'technical difficulties' :) I've trimmed the > headers and sigs etc to cut down on the size of it, but left > From: and Subject: lines. Some of you will have seen some of the > articles, sorry for the duplication. That is all of the msg as I rxed it. You appear to have cut down on the size of the articles you mention quite dramatically ;-) I am also still waiting for a StrongARM compliant version - has this email gone astray too? btw, my snailmail has changed again, to 4405, Twin Oaks Court, Monmouth Junction, New Jersey 08852, USA. See my home page for more details. Thanks, Donald P.S. Ignore my comment about still waiting for SA patch - have just rxed a msg from Lyndon Couch indicating that all upgrades are to be sent by snailmail. Perhaps you would make sure that he's aware of my address change. Thanks again. -- +1-609-275-1193 .... I don't drink water. Fish fuck in it. (W. C. Fields) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 9 15:13:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25761 for david ; Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 844848378:18820:2; Wed, 09 Oct 96 09:06:18 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18587; 9 Oct 96 9:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah26389; 9 Oct 96 9:03 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:52:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961009.085237.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:48:13 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R The last test seems to have worked OK. So here is the digest of articles I failed to send last time. I have also deleted any articles from the backlog of articles that confirmed that the test posting worked, thanks for the input, but I didn't think there was a need for all of the list to see the articles. If you have any problems or you want to confirm things are working email me directly at imac@risc.demon.co.uk. Thanks for your patience here is the digest: From Wed,25 Sep 1996.08:51:13 From:(Ray Dawson) Subject: Altering master pages I have produced several style sheets for business stationery such as letters, invoices etc. They have a master page with several frames on containing logo, address panel, date etc and the main text frame occupying two thirds of the page. Fine. The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, as it should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with the text frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that only the main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger without altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a local frame. The alternative is to use a New Chapter and alter the master frames so that it only has the main text frame, but I can't then get the text to flow from the front page, which is a different chapter. So, I need to create a document with two different master pages, but with the text flowing between them How do I do it? Any help would be appreciated, Ray Dawson From Fri,27 Sep 1996.09:12:49 From:(David Pilling) Subject: Re: Altering master pages >The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, as it >should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with the text >frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that only the >main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger without >altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a local >frame. Firstly, consider the difference between a stylesheet, and a document with no text in the default master frames, and no local frames either. So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a full size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame is too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get the blank frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text that flows, subsequent pages will be of the form of the master page - full size frame with no logo boxes etc. David Pilling From Fri,27 Sep 1996.09:14:12 From:(Roger Noble) Subject: Re: Altering master pages Raw Dawson Wrote: > I have produced several style sheets for business stationery such as letters, > invoices etc. They have a master page with several frames on containing logo, > address panel, date etc and the main text frame occupying two thirds of the > page. Fine. > The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, as it > should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with the text > frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that only the > main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger without > altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a local > frame. I haven't had the opportunity to try this, but if you used a master page with the main text frame filling the whole page (like you need it for the second page), then placed the address and logo frames on top of this with their text run-around set so that the main text started about 2/3 of the way down as you require, then you could delete the address etc frames on the second page and the text should start at the top. As an aside, is there any way of getting OP to write out a style sheet that contains more than one master page? I always get just the one for the current chapter. Roger Noble From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:03:23 From: ovationpro@hq.gag.de Subject: Re: Altering master pages > So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a full > size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first > document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame is > too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. > > Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get the blank > frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text that flows, subsequent > pages will be of the form of the master page - full size frame with no logo boxes > etc. Well, it would be nice if such a document could be saved as real style sheet or whaterver you call it so that upon loading I get a document with no name and thus don't take the risc to overwrite my original document. Herbert Email for this mailing list OvationPro@hq.gag.de From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:08:07 From:(Adrian John Warrick) Subject: Multiple column frames and bottom aligned text I frequently use an A5 two column layout with text aligned to the bottom of the frame starting with the RH column flowing back to the LH col. Having tried this with a multi-column frame, the text will align to the bottom of the Left Hand column only. I could obviously use other means to achieve the desired result, but auto-flow between the two columns would be far more elegant. Second point I would prefer a far more extensive underlining system, line thickness, distance above and below and vertical rules for automatic table constructions, and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. Adrian From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:09:36 From:(Anthony Robert James Brion) Subject: Not picking up new fonts with fontdir 2 I have fontDir 2 installed on my RiscPC, why when I choose a different selection of fonts, from the ones when OvationPro is first loaded, they do not appear in any of OP's font selectors :-( When I have !Style loaded and change my font selection OvationPro displays the new selection of fonts correctly??????? Anyone else had this, or knows how to get OP to always use the new fonts without having !Style loaded? From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:12:08 From:(Ray Dawson) Subject: Re: Altering master pages On Fri 27 Sep 96 (09:12:36 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, >as it >>should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with >the text >>frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that >only the >>main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger >without >>altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a >local >>frame. >Firstly, consider the difference between a stylesheet, and a document >with no text in the default master frames, and no local frames either. >So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a >full >size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first >document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame >is >too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. >Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get >the blank frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text >that flows, subsequent pages will be of the form of the master page - >full size frame with no logo boxes >etc. >David Pilling This unfortunately doesn't work. Firstly, if you overlay a dummy frame to repel the text to the correct starting place in the main frame, it repels the text in the address and date frames. Secondly, the logo, address and date frames aren't saved as part of the stylesheet. The stylesheet will only contain frames that are on the master page and that leads back to the original problem of having frames on the first page via the master page and not on subsequent ones. Ray Dawson From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:13:38 From:(David Thompson) Subject: Re: Altering master pages In message <19960925.085102.22@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > So, I need to create a document with two different master pages, but with the > text flowing between them How do I do it? > > Any help would be appreciated, > Have you tried creating a new chapter from inside the first master page ie two consecutive master pages? Create the first master page; then whilst still in the 'master page mode' select 'create new chapter'to create the second master. When you return to the normal document the first page format will flow as normal and new pages will use the first master page. However if you click on the second page that will then become the active master page. Try it out, it seems to work. Now, why is there no table facility? What a serious shortfall. From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:14:57 From:(David Thompson) Subject: Smart Quotes How does one type in smart quotes when using the RPC keyboard? The quotes generated by using shift 2 simply show as fixed quotes unless one exports the text and then re-imports it, in which case OP renders them as smart quotes. Why can't they be typed in directly? I know about the use of chars or alt but that approach seems long winded. Why does my machine lock up when loading some docs prepared by Ovation? Is there any proposal to add a table facility? From Tue,01 Oct 1996.10:16:20 From:(David Graddol) Subject: Two problems with Ovation Pro I have two problems with Ovation Pro which seriously affect its usefulness to me at the moment: (1) Problems with lines (has there been discussion on this list. I recall a mention of it by someone somewhere). Basically, it seems impossible to select and move lines once thy've been placed. Or rather, you *can* select by dragging a select box around a whole line, but it seems the line still can't be repositioned - it can only be changed in length. A smaller problem with lines seems to be that it is impossible to create a dashed line with an arrow head (triangular end point) as the triangle now repeats on each dash rather than once at the line end point. (Ovation didn't do this). (2) Problems with printing using Turbodriver HP Laserprinter. When I try to print, the whole machine crashes most ungracefully. Does anyone have any experience of this? I'm using an EPSON EPL 5500 laser printer (which I see Beebug stock) but I have to revert to the generic Acorn HP driver which doesn't give me sufficiently good half-tone rendition. And, talking of printing, is there any news on when the 'autumn' release of Ovation Pro with support for colour separations is due? Does anyone have a workaround for the 'lines' bug and/or advice about the turbo printer driver? David -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:19:52 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25915 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019086:17103:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:31:26 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16830; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab23208; 11 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Chris Johnson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Current status To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083830.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:03:25 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Oct, Ian MacDougall wrote: > Largely thanks to Kevin F. Quinn, Graham Allan and David Pilling > I now think I have the mailing list up and running properly. > > So once again I am sending this message as a test. > > I also seemed to have missed out the digest part of the digest > message I sent (oops) so if this message seems to propagate > properly I will resend that message. > > It was not clear whether you wanted a response to this message. Just in case you did - here it is ;-) -- C H R I S J O H N S O N Chemistry Department, Heriot-Watt University, EDINBURGH EH14 4AS Phone: 0131 449 5111 x4116 Fax: 0131 451 3180 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:19:56 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25916 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:19:54 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019087:17001:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:31:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16861; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa23208; 11 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:02 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: The next upgrade and the StrongArm To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101902.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:02:04 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 We are now working on the release version of the software that will form the first major upgrade. We should hopefully start sending these out this week. This version has a new version of the copy-protection that is StrongArm compliant so no more messing around with cache commands for those of you who own the new processor. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:02 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25917 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:19:58 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019087:17056:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:31:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16870; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac23208; 11 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Changing from Ovation to Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083845.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 11:06:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have only just started using Pro, on a RISCPC, having used Ovation on an A3000 for a number of years. Where has the change case option gone to? I receive text which others have typed, often with lots of all caps, which I wish to reduce to lower case or to initial caps, or I hit caps lock instead of shift when typing. Text style has such an option, but I miss shift-control-P. Another shortcut I miss already is Control-S to re-save a document with the same name. F3 followed by return is a two stage process compared to Control-S which is a single stage. Anthony J Hilton Yorkshire Cancer Organisation, Leeds UK ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk Tel: 0113 292 4217 Fax: 0113 292 4132 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:12 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25918 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019163:17784:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:43 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17407; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad23208; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:18:40 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Master pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101840.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:34:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 With reference to all of the enquiries concerning master pages: It is our intention to do some more work on master pages as and when we can. Features we are likely to implement are: Named master pages which will allow you to choose a master page for a chapter from a pool. Subsequent editing of that master page will change all of the chapters that use that master page. The ability to make the default master frame local e.g.so that it can be a different size on page 1 as opposed to page 2, but text will still flow between the frames. An option to link one frame on the master page to another frame so that text will flow from the first frame on page 1 to the second frame on page 2. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25921 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:17 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019165:17806:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:45 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17409; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae23208; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:18:47 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Rules and table generation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101847.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:55:44 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961001.100754.56@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I would prefer a far more extensive underlining system, line thickness, > distance above and below and vertical rules for automatic table > constructions, > and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. Vertical and horizontal rules were in the original spec and David did a fair amount of work implementing them. They were sacrificed to allow us to concentrate on other things before releasing the package. We have yet to decide whether to finish implementing them or build in a table generator. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:30 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25923 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019171:17755:3; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:51 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17596; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:09 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Does this mail work? Problem with saving story To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101909.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:07:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961008.100943.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have also had a problem in saving a story on a marked section of > text. When I drop the icon onto the appropriate filer window the > message 'file already open' appears and the save fails. If you can provide more information I will look into it. Can't reproduce it here. > I have not had time to investigate further. Problems seem to happen > when you are pressed for time. Tell me about it :) -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:40 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25925 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:35 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019172:17807:5; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:32:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17674; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af23208; 11 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:18:54 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Altering master pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101854.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:59:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961001.101325.31@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Create the first master page; then whilst still in the 'master page > mode' select 'create new chapter'to create the second master. When you > return to the normal document the first page format will flow as normal and > new pages will use the first master page. However if you click on the > second page that will then become the active master page. > > Try it out, it seems to work. Ow. Yes this does seem to work, but I would recommend against using this 'facility'. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:20:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25927 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:46 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019253:18555:2; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:13 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18299; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083853.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:09:28 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Keith Parker writes; [snip] > > EPS export > > Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... This results in a pure PostScript-file, not an E(ncapsuled)PS-file. I'm among those who would rejoice at having EPS import/export in OP, but to be honest it's rather less urgent than separations/local OPI - the basic imagesetting-features. I mean, it's little use in being able to import/export designs destined for imagesetting (which EPS- files usually are, except for logos etc.) if you can't imagesett'em... :) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 42 97 58 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:03 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25930 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:20:56 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019255:18621:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:15 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18315; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: EPS export To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083901.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:50:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >> .... We wondered if >> it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby aiding >> connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and Ventura)? >Wouldn't it be possible to do this by some modification to the Postscript >printer driver? It would be incredibly useful. A job for Acorn, perhaps. >Richard Lambley _ _ _ >> EPS export >Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... >David Pilling _ _ _ Surely David's suggestion creates a PS (Postscript) output file without the encapsulation needed for the result to be placed in other packages. I think Richard is right, it would need a modification to the printer driver to be able to generate EPS. (The MS Windows printer drivers have it as an option.) Anthony Hilton From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25932 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:06 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019258:18627:2; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:18 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18397; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj23208; 11 Oct 96 8:31 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083908.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 11:38:33 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 9 Oct 96 (08:59:15 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >> I use border 11 in Impression to create crop marks >Use the line drawing tools to draw yourself some crop marks. Not too >bad because you've only got to do it once, and they easily snap into >position. But of course not as easy as using a border. OK! That is one solution but (with all due respect to David) not elegant. Anyone else got a solution on the lines of Publisher - using a border? >> EPS export >Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... But that wouldn't be EPS would it? What about a TIFF preview? Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:14 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25933 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019260:18571:4; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:34:20 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18418; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa23208; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2 Questions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083916.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 11:41:18 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 9 Oct 96 (08:59:00 +0000), richard@wireless.demon.co.uk wrote: >On Mon 07 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: > >> Question Two: >> >> .... We wondered if >> it was possible to be able to save a page as an EPS file thereby >> aiding connectivity as Squark XPress imports EPS (as does PageMaker and >> Ventura)? >Wouldn't it be possible to do this by some modification to the >Postscript printer driver? It would be incredibly useful. A job for >Acorn, perhaps. Maybe - I would have thought that Xemplar would be interested in this :-) A really good way that Fruit and Nut could co-operate especially if OPro could both import and export EPS (yes, changed the goalposts)! Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:20 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25934 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:17 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019328:19588:0; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:35:28 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18594; 11 Oct 96 8:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak23208; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:19:16 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Changing from Ovation to Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.101916.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:44 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961010.083845.85@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Where has the change case option gone to? I receive text which others have > typed, often with lots of all caps, which I wish to reduce to lower case or > to initial caps, or I hit caps lock instead of shift when typing. Text > style > has such an option, but I miss shift-control-P. Ctrl-Shift S > Another shortcut I miss already is Control-S to re-save a document with the > same name. F3 followed by return is a two stage process compared to > Control-S which is a single stage. Define a new key macro for Ctrl S that reads: {savedocument("");} and click on Save. You now have your old Ctrl S back (but no keypress for spellcheck). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:21:49 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25935 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:21:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019335:19596:1; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:35:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19119; 11 Oct 96 8:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al23208; 11 Oct 96 8:32 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083821.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 18:34:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Quite a few of the points raised, are either bugs which have been fixed or requests for features which have been added. So I'll go through those to start with; Roger Noble; >is there any way of getting OP to write out a style sheet that >contains more than one master page? Bug fixed. Adrian John Warrick; >Having tried this with a multi-column frame, the text will align to the bottom >of the Left Hand column only. I believe this is a bug we fixed - assuming I understand the point, seems to work now. Anthony Robert James Brion; >Not picking up new fonts with fontdir 2 Things are much better now. It's a messy area. Orginally OPro relied on the fonts changed service call. However this is only issued when the font manager realises the fonts have changed. It does this when programs poll various features. Hence the classic symptom of OPro only seeing the fonts change after the font menu in Edit is used. David Thompson; >Smart Quotes We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... David Graddol; > Problems with selecting lines Bad bug, fixed now. > A smaller problem with lines seems to be that it is impossible to > create a dashed line with an arrow head This is the "lines used to be better in Ovation 1 problem". Originally lines in OPro were just like those in Draw. And yes they have shortcomings. There are a few problems here. Some of them I've already fixed, alas others remain for the future. > printing using Turbodriver HP Laserprinter I would be inclined to check you have the latest Turbodriver version. I am not aware of any printer driver problems which are caused by OPro. But always interested to hear... Herbert zur Nedden; >Well, it would be nice if such a document could be saved as real style sheet >or whaterver you call it so that upon loading I get a document with no name >and thus don't take the risc to overwrite my original document. Saving such a template document as DDL just about does this for you. ; >tables, colour seps. etc. As I understand it the priority now is adding colour separation and various other graphics type things. Once we've done that, tables are a definite possibility. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 15:22:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA25937 for david ; Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:22:04 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845019342:19712:3; Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:35:42 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19222; 11 Oct 96 8:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am23208; 11 Oct 96 8:33 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:38:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Altering master pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961010.083838.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 10:59:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Longish quote >>The problem comes when I need a second page. The master page repeats, >as it >>should, with all the frames. What I need is a full blank page with >the text >>frame full page size. I can delete the address etc frames so that >only the >>main text frame is present, but I can't alter it to make it larger >without >>altering the frame on the first page. It won't allow me to make it a >local >>frame. >Firstly, consider the difference between a stylesheet, and a document >with no text in the default master frames, and no local frames either. >So the suggestion is. Instead of stylesheets, set up a document, with a >full >size default master frame. Close the master pages, then on the first >document page, set up your logo, address panel etc. If the master frame >is >too big, then just overlay it with a frame to make it the right size. >Save this document as your 'stylesheet'. When you load it, you'll get >the blank frames, for filling in the address etc. When you enter text >that flows, subsequent pages will be of the form of the master page - >full size frame with no logo boxes >etc. >David Pilling This unfortunately doesn't work. Firstly, if you overlay a dummy frame to repel the text to the correct starting place in the main frame, it repels the text in the address and date frames. Secondly, the logo, address and date frames aren't saved as part of the stylesheet. The stylesheet will only contain frames that are on the master page and that leads back to the original problem of having frames on the first page via the master page and not on subsequent ones. Ray Dawson endquote (sorry but I'm using MSMail on a non-RISC pc thingy, and it doesn't generate the nice quoted text markers!) Ray, You need to save the document David described as an OP *document* - possibly called 'stylesheet' - not as an OP stylesheet, and make it read only (sorry again for the DOS type terminology, I'm sure RISCOS uses a different term but I'm not sure what) so that you cannot accidentally over-write it. Anthony J Hilton Yorkshire Cancer Organisation, Leeds UK ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk Tel: 0113 292 4217 Fax: 0113 292 4132 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 15:19:54 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26115 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:19:52 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845277939:15341:2; Mon, 14 Oct 96 08:25:39 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa14928; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab13596; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST From: "Eason, Dave, EASONDC2" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:40:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Problems with Pictures in Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961011.084058.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 07:10:00 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Folks, Can anyone help me with this? I'm running OP 2.24 on a Mark 1 Risc PC (RiscOS 3.5), along with TurboDrivers (4.04). When I put pictures (both Draw and Sprite formats) in the document, they appear fine on screen, but some of them appear inverted about the horizontal axis when printed. Any ideas? Dave Eason -- I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'll carry on regardless (The Beautiful South) BT may not necessarily agree with what I say, I seldom do! From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 15:19:58 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26116 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:19:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845277941:15410:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 08:25:41 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa14933; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac13596; 14 Oct 96 8:24 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:27:48 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Problems with Pictures in Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961011.092748.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:26:05 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961011.084058.96@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'm running OP 2.24 on a Mark 1 Risc PC (RiscOS 3.5), along with > TurboDrivers (4.04). When I put pictures (both Draw and Sprite formats) in > the document, they appear fine on screen, but some of them appear inverted > about the horizontal axis when printed. > > Any ideas? Turbo & Laser Direct Printer Drivers ------------------------------------ 1. A problem with Turbo drivers and the Laser Direct printer driver causes pictures in irregular frames to be printed upside down. This may be corrected as follows: a. Load file !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into !Edit. b. Change line 10 so that it reads printchoices2(1,0,0,0); c. Re-save the Choices file. d. Re-run Ovation Pro. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:16:50 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26145 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:16:48 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845302908:17046:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:21:48 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa16415; 14 Oct 96 15:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa00560; 14 Oct 96 15:19 BST From: Kevin Pearcey Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Instaling to a SCSI drive To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141427.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 20:05:54 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation Pro. The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. How can I sort this out please. -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:16:55 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26146 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845302988:17956:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:23:08 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17372; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac01568; 14 Oct 96 15:21 BST From: Herbert zur Nedden Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:22 +0000 Organization: German Archimedes Group Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141422.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:15:35 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R David Pilling wrote, > David Thompson; > >Smart Quotes > > We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? Herbert -- /---------------------------------------+----------------------\ | Herbert zur Nedden | email: hzn@hq.gag.de | | | ftp: ftp.gag.de | | German Archimedes Group (Headquarter) | www: www.gag.de | \---------------------------------------+----------------------/ Herausgeber DER deutschen Acorn-Zeitschrift - Infos: info@gag.de From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:00 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26147 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:16:57 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845302992:17926:3; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:23:12 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17647; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad01568; 14 Oct 96 15:21 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141412.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 15:54:55 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > constructions, > and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. And bear in mind you can currently embed lines in the text flow. >>Print to an Acorn PostScript printer driver, set to output to file... >But that wouldn't be EPS would it? What about a TIFF preview? This is whinging, kids stuff to edit the PS file, and add the few bits of extra EPS stuff by hand. Seriously if it is the TIFF preview that is the source of your worries, then a solution is reasonably possible. You'd have to have a sort of double printer driver, one half PS, and the other like the ArcFax driver generating a bit map. EPS import which involves rendering the embedded bit map is also doable. What's much tougher and unlikely this side of the milenium is rendering raw PS. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:07 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26148 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:02 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303069:18818:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:24:29 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18185; 14 Oct 96 15:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Tony Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Rules and table generation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141407.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:15:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 **** Reply to your E-mail dated Thu, 10 Oct 1996 at 10:18:47 **** >In message <19961001.100754.56@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> I would prefer a far more extensive underlining system, line thickness, >> distance above and below and vertical rules for automatic table >> constructions, >> and forego the line drawing facility which does not flow with the text. > >Vertical and horizontal rules were in the original spec and David did a >fair amount of work implementing them. They were sacrificed to allow us to >concentrate on other things before releasing the package. We have yet to >decide whether to finish implementing them or build in a table generator. > Oh, yes, please! And overlining please, useful for logic expressions, and for totals under a column. At the risk of being off-topic, but whilst talking about wish-lists, the 'active date' facility is a brilliant idea, but how about it showing the last-saved date instead of changing at each load? Also, I would greatly appreciate a word-count on a marked block of text. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:15 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26149 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303075:18925:0; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:24:35 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18556; 14 Oct 96 15:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141417.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:00:39 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 David wrote: >As I understand it the priority now is adding colour separation and various other >graphics type things. Once we've done that, tables are a definite possibility. Great stuff with all the bug-fixes and additions. I'll join in the request for pre-press support made by pixeleyes and others. For imagesetting we need: * Crop and registration marks * Colour separations - including native handling of CMYK images - Artworks takes CMYK TIFF files and seems to convert them to RGB before separating them as CMYK for imagesetting (?!), so that a CMYK TIFF with the cyan component deliberately removed, gains one when you view the Artworks separation! * Definable printers marks - I don't know if Impression Publisher does these Artworks certainly doesn't - you just get the separation ink name when you really need to have the job name, and your own name/contact details on every separation. * OPI - arguably slightly less important - one can always strip in separately scanned images manually, but we all use DTP nowadays for a reason... Any clues on timescales on these sorts of things? I'm doing lay-up for imagesetters in Artworks at the moment, and having just bought OPro, I don't want to pay CC for an upgrade from Publisher to Pub Plus to get a pre-press facility! I've got long-term work pending for one client, which I'm hanging onto, as I don't want to start laying-up in Artworks if the OPro upgrade is coming in a fortnight. But if it's a month, or two months, or an Artworks release away, I'd rather get on with it now. So, any ideas? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26150 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:23 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303150:19814:0; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:25:50 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18711; 14 Oct 96 15:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Dr Colin Whitehead Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141432.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 96 14:50:03 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hello all I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. Since I wanted to use the program, I swapped the strongarm for my old arm710 but Ovation still refuses to run - I get an error "Internal error: branch through zero at &03813AEC" I thought re-installing may help, in case something had been corrupted, but running either the installer or the floppy copy of Ovation produce the same error. Would the copy protection have caused this? I originally installed OvationPro into $.Apps, but I renamed this directory when installing Risc OS 3.7, then moved ovation back into the apps directory once everything was running. OvationPro is version 2.31 Has anyone seen any problems like this? bye Colin -- "Read between the lines, | Colin Whitehead criticize the words they're selling. | colinw@argonet.co.uk Think for yourself and feel the walls | cjw@phys.strath.ac.uk become sand beneath your feet." Anybody Listening? Queensryche From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 14 16:17:33 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26151 for david ; Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845303162:19814:1; Mon, 14 Oct 96 15:26:02 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18954; 14 Oct 96 15:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag01568; 14 Oct 96 15:22 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: 2.36 Upgrade - Its not working for me :-( To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961014.141437.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 96 00:05:57 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi folks, I got the upgrade 2.36 today and installed it tonight. I am using 3.7 + SA110 so its arrival was very welcome :-) But... I have some problems: 1) I use !FontDir2 (v2.01) all the time and I tried to load some of my documents created in OPro v2.24 and the FontDir problem still exists :-( 2) I changed the appearance of a document, didn't like it so I 'discarded' it! It crashed the computer. 3) On seven documents when the correct fonts were not installed I chose the temporary replacement loading option and I got the following error: Ovation has suffered a Type 5 error and must quit immediately (I think the wording is correct). I checked this out with RISC OS3.5 and an ARM610 and got the same results. I have gone back to v2.24 as I know it works to complete a project. I'll let you know about the combination of RISC OS3.7 and a 610 later. Please - any help/guidance etc very much needed and appreciated :-) Cheers Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:24 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26260 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845450926:17578:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:28:46 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17296; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad24018; 16 Oct 96 8:26 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085537.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:17:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? Can't see any reason why not, the script is very simple. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:42 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26263 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:36 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845450932:17574:3; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:28:52 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17345; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac24018; 16 Oct 96 8:26 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:44 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085544.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:21:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R >I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation Pro. >The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! >When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI >drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive a new version that fixes this problem. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:52 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26265 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451002:18275:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:02 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17978; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ah24018; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085559.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 16:21:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Tony van der Hoff; >Also, I would greatly appreciate a word-count on a marked block of text. Added in the latest versions. Herbert zur Nedden; >Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? I would assume so. It's a script file you can hack it as much as you like. Nick Kaijaks; > * Crop and registration marks Already in there? Other ideas useful though... Keith Parker; > Font Dir OPro does work correctly when FontDir changes the available fonts. What OPro does not support is auto loading fonts when a document is loaded. My understanding is that Adrian Look has done a new scanner module to allow this. > Missing font crashes, various versions etc. It seems there is a bug (probably in all versions) where a crash can result from increasing the size of the undo buffer. In your case the files had been saved with a 4K buffer, and your new copy of the program defaulted to 8K. So on loading the undo buffer was increased to 8K. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:08:58 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26267 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:55 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451007:18277:2; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:07 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18064; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ag24018; 16 Oct 96 8:27 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:30 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Professional printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085530.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:15:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 [snipped] >Any clues on timescales on these sorts of things? I'm doing lay-up for >imagesetters in Artworks at the moment, and having just bought OPro, I don't >want to pay CC for an upgrade from Publisher to Pub Plus to get a pre-press >facility! I've got long-term work pending for one client, which I'm >hanging onto, as I don't want to start laying-up in Artworks if the OPro >upgrade is coming in a fortnight. But if it's a month, or two months, or an >Artworks release away, I'd rather get on with it now. So, any ideas? The next major upgrade that includes professional colour printing facilities will not be available until the beginning of next year at the earliest. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:03 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26268 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:08:59 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451010:18279:2; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:10 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18107; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai24018; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:56:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085614.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 18:48:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 14 Oct 96 (14:14:32 +0000), colinw@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Hello all > >I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run >on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it >just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. [snip] > >OvationPro is version 2.31 > >Has anyone seen any problems like this? Yes, I have exactly the same problem, same version. However, I gather the upgrade is being shipped even as I write this :-) (as long as you don't want it on SCSI :-( Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:09 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26269 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451014:18387:4; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:30:14 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18206; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj24018; 16 Oct 96 8:28 BST From: Jeremy Cocks Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Problems with Pictures in Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085522.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:11:43 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 14 Oct, Eason, Dave, EASONDC2 wrote: > > > Folks, > > Can anyone help me with this? > > I'm running OP 2.24 on a Mark 1 Risc PC (RiscOS 3.5), along with > TurboDrivers (4.04). When I put pictures (both Draw and Sprite formats) in > the document, they appear fine on screen, but some of them appear inverted > about the horizontal axis when printed. > > Any ideas? > > Dave Eason > -- > I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'll carry on regardless (The > Beautiful South) > BT may not necessarily agree with what I say, I seldom do! > Hi Dave, I'm also running an Original RiscPC but using LaserDirect with version 2.31 of OvPro in a readme file it says to:....... Turbo & Laser Direct Printer Drivers ------------------------------------ 1. A problem with Turbo drivers and the Laser Direct printer driver causes pictures in irregular frames to be printed upside down. This may be corrected as follows: a. Load file !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into !Edit. b. Change line 10 so that it reads printchoices2(1,0,0,0); c. Re-save the Choices file. d. Re-run Ovation Pro. I find Draw & ArtWorks files are OK but and sprite files will invert, try!!!! -- Signature - Jeremy Cocks e-mail foxncox@manawatu.gen.nz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:14 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26270 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451092:19071:2; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:31:32 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18924; 16 Oct 96 8:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ak24018; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:56:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085607.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 21:26:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 The Guru wrote: >>But that wouldn't be EPS would it? What about a TIFF preview? >This is whinging, kids stuff to edit the PS file, and add the few bits of >extra EPS stuff by hand. Seriously if it is the TIFF preview that is the >source of your worries, then a solution is reasonably possible. You'd have >to have a sort of double printer driver, one half PS, and the other like >the ArcFax driver generating a bit map. To you it maybe but most of us, mere mortals, wouldn't know where to start :-) >EPS import which involves rendering the embedded bit map is also doable. Good news ;-) >What's much tougher and unlikely this side of the milenium is rendering raw >PS. As quickly as that - now my contacts at Quark tell me that even they can't work that one out (properly) :-) Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:21 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26271 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:16 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451094:19088:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:31:34 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa18979; 16 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al24018; 16 Oct 96 8:29 BST From: George Foot Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:55:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085552.39@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:45:33 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 14 Oct, Dr Colin Whitehead wrote: > Hello all > > I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run > on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it > just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. > Since I wanted to use the program, I swapped the strongarm for my old > arm710 but Ovation still refuses to run - I get an error > "Internal error: branch through zero at &03813AEC" > I thought re-installing may help, in case something had been corrupted, but > running either the installer or the floppy copy of Ovation produce the > same error. > > Would the copy protection have caused this? I originally installed > OvationPro into $.Apps, but I renamed this directory when installing > Risc OS 3.7, then moved ovation back into the apps directory once > everything was running. > > OvationPro is version 2.31 > > Has anyone seen any problems like this? > > bye > Colin > > -- > "Read between the lines, | Colin Whitehead > criticize the words they're selling. | colinw@argonet.co.uk > Think for yourself and feel the walls | cjw@phys.strath.ac.uk > become sand beneath your feet." Anybody Listening? Queensryche > I am using Ovation Pro with StrongARM and so far have no trouble which is fortunate as I have an urgent task in hand. My friendly Acorn Dealer fixed it all for me when he installed my StrongARM. George -- georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk http://www.cybervillage.co.uk/personal/gfoot/ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:26 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26272 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:23 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845451164:19796:0; Wed, 16 Oct 96 08:32:44 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19400; 16 Oct 96 8:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am24018; 16 Oct 96 8:30 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:56:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: StrongARM woes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961015.085624.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 22:28:54 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 14 Oct 96 (14:14:32 +0000), colinw@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Hello all > >I've noticed various people saying that they can get Ovation Pro to run >on the strongARM by switching the cache off. I have tried this, but it >just dies quietly after putting the opening banner on the screen. >Since I wanted to use the program, I swapped the strongarm for my old >arm710 but Ovation still refuses to run - I get an error >"Internal error: branch through zero at &03813AEC" >I thought re-installing may help, in case something had been corrupted, >but running either the installer or the floppy copy of Ovation produce >the same error. >Would the copy protection have caused this? I originally installed >OvationPro into $.Apps, but I renamed this directory when installing >Risc OS 3.7, then moved ovation back into the apps directory once >everything was running. Looks like it! >OvationPro is version 2.31 You should be getting 2.36 which will solve all your problems. I got mine on Saturday and thanks to David I am well happy :-) A little note: OvationPro defaults it undo buffer to 8K. I saved some very simple documents with a 4K undo buffer with v2.24 and 2.36 didn't like them. If you have a file with an undo bufferset to less than 8K and it won't load or gives you a Type=5 error, simply load OPro, set the undo buffer to 4 (or whatever) and reload you file. Whizz bang its there! Thanks, (Guru), David Pilling! Keith -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ===================================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 16 14:09:34 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26273 for david ; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:09:28 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845455269:03150:1; Wed, 16 Oct 96 09:41:09 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02889; 16 Oct 96 9:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj17912; 16 Oct 96 9:40 BST From: Kevin Pearcey Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:35:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961016.093522.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:17:47 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Right, well just to add some wood to the fire - here are a fwe wish points from myself. * Style complient dialogues where Return makes then close. * A key press for zoom drag box, and return to previous zoom setting This is the feature I use the most in Impression - and so miss the most. * How about extending the available macros. What I would like to do is be able to select options from dialogues such as alter frame - Then I can have a button that makes non-repelling 2 column frames with a black background, and similar operations for the 3 other standard frame settings I require. * When using colums in a frame, setting the inset does not spread the column sizes internally, so for 3 columns you get two small columns at the edges and a wide one in the middle. * An easy way of setting horizontal and vertical insets as opposed to editing the frame repels and attempting to keep them vertical/horizontal. * Get rid of the scrolling panes (.. well I can dream for a usable UI) * Have an option to fix the status bar at the top of the window - If I move it there then it gets moved off screen when I resize the window. * Some way to make the repel and frame shapes equal to each other. Having set an irregular repel on an object - Quite often I need to edit the frame outline to obscure unwanted parts of the image - Using paint to add a mask takes a long time and adds a lot to the size of an image. * Sort out the strange font menu that displays the wrong font names. (How about some more reading of the style guide?) Well, I'm sure there are more but I can't remember then right now - I'll let you know once I find something I have to use it for. Cheers -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:02 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26396 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624295:17442:0; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:38:15 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17125; 18 Oct 96 8:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id af26256; 18 Oct 96 8:37 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:39 +0000 Organization: home Subject: re: this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084039.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:56:32 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell at first glance what posting are from where. The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the same, please? -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:04 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26397 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:03 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624374:18145:0; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:39:34 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17831; 18 Oct 96 8:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab26256; 18 Oct 96 8:37 BST From: John Cartmell Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084057.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1996 19:03:21 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive >a new version that fixes this problem. Will this work with SCSI or the original disc - I'll be doing a fair amount of swapping about in the near future and may need to use either/both ? If so please make this a yes please. BTW I'm still on v 2.26 John Cartmell serial number 01238 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:06 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26398 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:05 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624378:18057:1; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:39:38 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa17830; 18 Oct 96 8:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad26256; 18 Oct 96 8:38 BST From: Graham Allan Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:06 +0000 Organization: University of Minnesota Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084106.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:39:03 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19961015.085607.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Mr K Parker wrote: > The Guru wrote: > > >What's much tougher and unlikely this side of the milenium is rendering raw > >PS. > > As quickly as that - now my contacts at Quark tell me that even they can't work > that one out (properly) :-) Use an add-on program - like RiScript Pro, which I saw advertised? Graham From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:09 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26399 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:07 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624536:19828:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:42:16 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19409; 18 Oct 96 8:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an26256; 18 Oct 96 8:40 BST From: David Pilling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:40:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few points To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084048.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 17:16:23 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Kevin Pearcey; > * Style complient dialogues where Return makes then close. I agree whole heartedly with this. As I understand it the current method is in aid of RISC OS 3.10 which does not do things the same way as 3.50 etc. This feature, you don't like - moving the caret in response to return, is only built into the template file. You can edit the templates and make it work the way you want. > * A key press for zoom drag box, and return to previous zoom setting > This is the feature I use the most in Impression - and so miss the most. Added in the latest version. > Quite often I need to edit the frame outline to obscure unwanted parts of the image You could also edit the frame inset curve. > * Sort out the strange font menu that displays the wrong font names. Next time, I promise. > (How about some more reading of the style guide?) Fortune has not favoured those who stuck to the style guide. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:11 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26400 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624539:19850:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:42:19 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19406; 18 Oct 96 8:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ai26256; 18 Oct 96 8:40 BST From: Mr K Parker Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084123.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:32:37 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 15 Oct 96 (08:55:44 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >>I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation >>Pro. The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! >>When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI >>drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. >I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive > a new version that fixes this problem. Yes, please and thank you! Keith -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- keithp@argonet.co.uk PRINT and DESIGN ART RiscPC - Wintel Outside no project too large no commission too small ============================================================================ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:13 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26401 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624616:20701:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:43:36 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa20187; 18 Oct 96 8:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aj26256; 18 Oct 96 8:40 BST From: Adrian John Warrick Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: SCSI problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084131.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 20:08:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 15 Oct 96 (08:55:44 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >>I've just received the new StrongARM compatiable version of Ovation >Pro. >>The slight problem is that is does not seem to be SCSI compatiable! >>When attempting to install, or run an installed version from a SCSI >>drive, I get an error about not being a network licenced version. > >I'll send you and anyone else (if you let me know) who has a SCSI drive > a new version that fixes this problem. Would appreciate it Ian please I use a Cumana SCSI II plus 1 Gb plus proteus PD Adrian Warrick 40 Eccleston Rd Ealing London W13 0RL Tel 0181 574 5389 0181 567 6417 0973 152735 Best wishes Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 18 12:48:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26402 for david ; Fri, 18 Oct 96 12:48:14 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845624619:20731:2; Fri, 18 Oct 96 08:43:39 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa20270; 18 Oct 96 8:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab26256; 18 Oct 96 8:41 BST From: "S. W. Tengelsen" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:41:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961017.084114.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:45:16 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 15 Oct, Mr K Parker wrote: =20 > As quickly as that - now my contacts at Quark tell me that even they > can't work that one out (properly) :-) Ah, but it is entirely possible (to render Postscript code to screen instead of paper/film) - it is after all what Ghostscript, RiScript and other programs do (with varying degrees of success). There will be separate programs which will fulfill this function soon; methinks Uniqueway (?) has a version of RiScript (Pro) in the works, and I believe there are other efforts in this area as well. These programs will be immensely valuable *if they get it right*: proofing PS to screen is a *bit* faster/cheaper than doing the same to film. On the topic of EPS: I feel we should adopt the format used between Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop / Quark Xpress. I know I=91ve said it before, but I repeat: If support for this format had been added to Ovation Pro, Photodesk 2, Composition and other often-used desktop design-tools in Acorn publishing-contexts, we=91d see a *massive* improvement in our ability to work seamlessly with Mac-based setups, the de facto "industry standard" in the publishing world, wether we like it or not. When Acorn/ Xemplar/ANT get the issue of connecting Acorn-networks straight to Mac-networks sorted out, we'll be home and dry. :) I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) --=20 Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen =20 a.k.a. pixeleyes _______________________________________________________________________ | Dolphin Design is ARM-powered | +47 22 42 97 58 - pixeleye@sn.no | | Scariest website on the web: http://www.igc.apc.org/millennium/inds/ | From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:07 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26519 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:06 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895429:01513:4; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:57:09 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01229; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ac19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Stephen Harrison Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101700.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:13:14 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R SIGNOFF OVATIONP-L -- Stephen Harrison From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:10 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26520 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:09 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895500:02320:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:58:20 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01423; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ad19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Kevin Pearcey Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: SIGNON OVATIONP-L To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101710.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:12:13 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R SIGNON OVATIONP-L -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:13 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26521 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:11 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895508:02320:2; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:58:28 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa01920; 21 Oct 96 11:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Matthew Hambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: Run-around graphic glitch To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101604.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:41:35 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Has anyone else had a problem with the run-around graphic aption going a little mad? Or do I just use "worst case" graphis frequently? When I told the system to run around a bit map I had imported I got several blank lines around it where I presume the run around code wasn't working quite right. (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:16 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26522 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895517:02352:5; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:58:37 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa02168; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ae19303; 21 Oct 96 11:56 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:28 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Termite interferes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101728.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:52:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Solved - sorry. One of the modules that Termite asks for - and shouldn't - causes the trouble. I had, of course, taken it out of the old version but then a new one came - curses! -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:22 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26523 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:21 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895602:03405:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:00:02 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03004; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id am19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Matthew Hambley Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101623.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:03:46 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R > I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those > participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed > towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ Word? > The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes lately > has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) Well I think that "upgrading" Ovatin Pro to MSWord 666 would in fact be a downgrade. OP is a DTP package. It is not designed to have all the features of a word processor because it isn't one! (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:25 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26524 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:24 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895685:04396:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:25 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03366; 21 Oct 96 11:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id al19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Mr S Pampling Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:18:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest of articles (hopefully) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101814.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 22:53:43 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Thu 17 Oct 96 (08:41:14 +0000), pixeleye@sn.no wrote: >I'd like to end my contribution with a question: How many of those >participating in this maillist would like to see Ovation Pro developed >towards being a competitor to Quark Xpress, v/s a competitor to M$ >Word? The reason I ask, is that a (to me) appalling number of wishes >lately has reeked strongly of the word-processor ooze. ;) I see no real reason to compete with only one of the two. Build the decent features of either or both into the FULL install and you can pick and choose which parts you install as per the current selective install set up. (I just know I'm going to be accused of encouraging code bloat...) -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventy Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:28 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26525 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:27 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895687:04482:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:27 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03711; 21 Oct 96 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id an19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:17:19 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Termite interferes with Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101719.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 17:24:54 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R As in the subject, Termite interferes with Ovation Pro. After Termite has started downloading news and/or mail Ctrl characters no longer work in Ovation Pro. Just loading Termite and connecting to the ISP has no effect, it's the next step that causes the damage. There is no effect with other programs such as Zap or Impression. OvPro ver. 2.36 - it did it before that but it's taken me a while to look for the cause. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire There is nothing harder to predict than the future From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:31 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26526 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:29 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895688:04492:0; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:28 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03749; 21 Oct 96 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ap19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: "ovationpro@hq.gag.de" Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:14 +0000 Organization: German Archimedes Group Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101614.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:02:13 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R > > We now have an applet which does automatic smart quotes as you type. Very nice... > Can it be adapted to German smart quotes? > Can't see any reason why not, the script is very simple. Sorry, I asked this stupid question - I didn't have the new version at that time. When I saw the script It took me just a few seconds to change it. Thanks! Herbert -- /---------------------------------------+----------------------\ | Herbert zur Nedden | email: hzn@hq.gag.de | | | ftp: ftp.gag.de | | German Archimedes Group (Headquarter) | www: www.gag.de | \---------------------------------------+----------------------/ Email for this mailing list OvationPro@hq.gag.de From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:15:35 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA26527 for david ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:15:33 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 845895697:04545:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:01:37 BST Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04158; 21 Oct 96 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aq19303; 21 Oct 96 11:58 BST From: Anthony Hilton Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:16:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: re this list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19961021.101642.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 09:40:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Peter Bond wrote: I am now on three distinct mail lists and it can be quite difficult to tell at first glance what posting are from where. The Termite list is very helpful and inserts an intro line at the top to say "This is from the Termite list" or somesuch - could this list do the same, please? === I respond: I also get mail from two lists which (I assume